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[VGC] Talonflame Moveset - Physical Attacker / Mixed Support (2 Options) - Eckley - May 28, 2015 Credit to Ningeko16
Look! It's Rogue's favourite Pokemon! Despite it's - lets face it - pretty dismal stats in everything barring speed, Talonflame has managed to stay in the top 12 most used Pokemon on Battle Spot. The main reson for this is because of Talonflames's Hidden Ability, Gale Wings. With Gale Wings giving prority to Flying type moves, Talonflame can always get a move off before it faints, either supporting the team with a priority Taiwind or taking a hefty chunk of damage off the opponents with a priority Brave Bird while it's partner cleans up. If you like defensive play, Talonflame probably isn't going to be on any of your teams, but if you like immediate offensive pressure it may be worth considering. Be wary - On the wrong team, Talonflame can become dead weight, but on the right team it can be a great support Pokemon with moves like Tailwind and Will-o-Wisp, or help pick apart the opposing team by dealing some pretty good "chip" damage for it's teammates to clean up or even picking off weakened Pokemon itself Base Stats: 78 HP / 81 Attack / 71 Defense / 74 Special Attack / 69 Special Defense / 126 Speed Type: Fire/Flying Weaknesses: Rock (X4), Water (X2), Electric (X2) Resistances: Fighting (X0.5), Bug (X0.25), Steel (X0.5), Fire (X0.5), Grass (0.25), Fairy (X0.5) Immunities: Ground Abilities: Flame Body - When a Pokémon with this Ability is hit by a move that makes contact, there is a 30% chance that the attacking Pokémon will become burned. If a Pokémon with this Ability is hit by a multi-strike move that makes contact, each hit has an independent chance to activate this Ability. Gale Wings (Hidden Ability) - Gale Wings increases the priority of Flying-type moves by one. Affected Flying-type attacks and offensive status moves can be blocked by Quick Guard. This Ability does not increase the priority of Flying-type Hidden Power, as it is treated as a Normal-type move. Physical Attacker Talonflame @ Life Orb / Choice Band Ability: Gale Wings EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe Adamant Nature - Brave Bird - Flare Blitz - U-turn - Protect As metioned earlier, Talonflame doesn't have the best stats so it benifits from having an attack boosting item such as Life Orb or Choice Band. The EV spread is basic because the idea with this set is to do as much damage a possible, primarily from the priority Brave Birds, as well as speed tying with other max speed adamant Talonflame (A speed tie win could swing the game in your favour). Brave Bird and Flare Blitz are both very strong STAB attacks with 120 Base Power each, meaning you can do a lot of damage to anything that's weak against these types, and do a decent amount to anything that doesn't resist them, however this does come at the cost of recoil damage. With base 126 Speed, Talonflame is the 22nd fastest Pokemon (Which includes Mega formes and Legendaries), so if it's threatened it can use U-Turn to switch out while doing some chip damage in the process. Protect is protect, if you can predict your opponent correctly and protect Talonflame while getting rid of whatever threatens it, you'll have another turn of priority Brave Bird damage. On the choice band set, there's not really any other physical attack worth using, but you can substitute protect for whatever you feel helps, such as Tailwind, or any other filler move, but at the cost of locking yourself into a move Damage Calculations Offensive (All calculations are done with Life Orb as the item choice. Naturally, choice band will deal more damage without receiving recoil damage, but at the cost of locking yourself into one move) Defensive - With such poor defenses, it's not worth makig a list of defensive calculations. Most super effective hits will OHKO Talonflame such as Rock Slides from Terrakion and Landorus-T, and even Thunderbolts from Thundurus that aren't invested in SpA. It can survive a lot of unboosted neutral attacks, but they still do a lot of damage and Talonflame is likely to get 2HKOd by most of them Mixed Attacker / Support Talonflame @ Life Orb Ability: Gale Wings EVs: 252 Atk / 116 SpA / 140 Spe Naive Nature - Brave Bird - Overheat - Tailwind / Quick Guard / Taunt / Will-o-Wisp - Protect / Tailwind / Quick Guard / Taunt / Will-o-Wisp With Gale Wings, Talonflame is one of the best Tailwind users since it's almost always guaranteed to set it up. With 140 Speed EVs and a Naive nature (+ Speed -SpD) Talonflame will always outspeed Timid max speed Thundurus, meaning you can get a Tailwind up before it Taunts you or if you're running Quick Guard you can block Taunts / Thunder Waves from it, or even use Taunt yourself. If you want, you can 8 EVs out of SpA and put them into Speed which will allow you to speed creep Timid 220 Speed EVd Whimsicotts by 1 point. Max Attack EVs are to maximise Brave Bird damage, and the rest were thrown into SpA to give Overheat as much power as possible. Will-o-Wisp is another great support option to cripple physical attackers For those wondering why Overheat is a thing on Talonflame, it's for 2 reasons; 1. It's not affected by Intimidate or King's Sheild 2. There's no recoil like with Flare Blitz Overheat does, however, lower your Special Attack by 2 stages Damage Calculations Offensive - Similar to the previous set but because we're running a +Speed nature not a +Attack nature, the damage from Brave Bird will be slightly less. However the general idea remains the same - Talonflame provides enough damage for it's partner to clean up, or it does it itself if the opponents have already taken enough damage. Overheat over Flare Blitz gives you the option to hit things like Ferrothorn, Scizor and Aegislash without taking recoil or an Attack stat drop, and it isn't affected by Intimidate. Your likely to be using Brave Bird most of the time, but Overheat is for anything that resists Brave Bird. Again, the idea is the same, Assist in the KO or pick off weakend Pokemon Defensive - Same as previous set Potential Teammates include,, but aren't limited to;
Threats
Other Notable Moves While Talonflame doesn't have the widest range of moves to choose from, I'll list a couple here which may give you some ideas for set
Other Notable Items
Thanks for reading, hopefully these builds will prove useful to a few of you. As always, feel free to customise the EVs to your liking :D RE: [VGC] Talonflame Moveset - Physical Attacker / Mixed Support (2 Options) - Podfighterninja123 - May 28, 2015 Eckley, Your Insane this has to be your fifth build or so! This is insane, atleast i have alot of builds of Talon to use for some teams Kreygasm RE: [VGC] Talonflame Moveset - Physical Attacker / Mixed Support (2 Options) - ChaseInfinity - May 28, 2015 Gosh dangit eckley i was making a Talonflame set, lol awesome job on the set tho' :D time to find a new pokemon :P RE: [VGC] Talonflame Moveset - Physical Attacker / Mixed Support (2 Options) - Eckley - May 28, 2015 @Pod Well I've got some free time, so I thought I'd help build a stock for the Competitive Builds section @Anime Sorry! I didn't know, I just thought I was the one stuck doing write ups on the Pokemon everyone hates haha RE: [VGC] Talonflame Moveset - Physical Attacker / Mixed Support (2 Options) - Podfighterninja123 - May 28, 2015 Well Good JOB! RE: [VGC] Talonflame Moveset - Physical Attacker / Mixed Support (2 Options) - Justin - May 28, 2015 (May 28, 2015, 01:41 PM)podfighterninja123 Wrote: what podfighter said RE: [VGC] Talonflame Moveset - Physical Attacker / Mixed Support (2 Options) - ChaseInfinity - May 28, 2015 (May 28, 2015, 01:40 PM)Eckley Wrote: @Pod Well I've got some free time, so I thought I'd help build a stock for the Competitive Builds sectionlol its fine, for a second i kind of knew something like this happen but its fine :D RE: [VGC] Talonflame Moveset - Physical Attacker / Mixed Support (2 Options) - Eckley - May 28, 2015 Thank you Pod. And Justin. And Anime :D RE: [VGC] Talonflame Moveset - Physical Attacker / Mixed Support (2 Options) - PKPatriot56 - May 28, 2015 Slow down Eckley! Leave some builds for the rest of us! But in all seriousness, great work once again! RE: [VGC] Talonflame Moveset - Physical Attacker / Mixed Support (2 Options) - Eckley - May 28, 2015 If he doesn't like it I'm going to cry forever |