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Rogue's Team dump #2: Mega Gyarados & Tailwind - Rogue - Sep 8, 2015

Dumping old teams and such, yadda yadda. This one isn't actually that old. This became my improved dodrio cup team, and it was literally 10x better than my old team. Sadly enough, I made team changes way too late and my team didn't get to make it into top 8. However, I had a very very close game with user Black117 with this team. It was only a BO1, but I think we both had a lot of fun while playing each other with our teams. Black ended up taking the game 0-1, and even with the close loss: I was very happy with the team. I made one small change to it however, and begin laddering with the improved version right away.

Any who, anyone who knows me knows I have a problem when it comes to getting bored fast & wanting to use different stuff. I really didn't want to use a common mega. I really like Gyarados too, my only problem with it last year is that it didn't know crunch. lol. However, this year it got it. I used it a few times in singles and enjoyed it, so decided to bring it to VGC.

Let's get started with the mega, shall we?


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Carnage (Gyarados) @ Gyaradosite (Named after a friend of mine. He really likes red and I always name my Gyarados's this now, and make them shiny. Shout outs to brownbear, tho.)
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 HP / 116 Atk / 92 Def / 44 SpD / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Protect
- Waterfall
- Crunch

I decided on D-Dance Gyara pretty quickly. I already had an idea for team members. Which was tailwind & redirection; and D-Dance fits perfectly. Redirection obviously helped out free d-dances, and the speed increase was always nice in case I couldn't set up tailwind. Plus, I've always been a damage kind of guy. stall definitely isn't my play style, ya know?

Anyways, back to Gyara. Really happy with the work it put in. I think the biggest part on why it did so much to me was just basic mind games. Is it a mega? Does it have ice fang? Earthquake? D-Dance? Is it a defensive set with t-wave and such? Does it have crunch? Lots of cool things can come into play with this mega, and it's definitely pushed up in my personal rankings. It's just really nice to hit things like cress really hard with crunch. Oh, and waterfall is cool too. Big damage and flinches

Oh yeah, and most important calc of all time:
252+ SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 252 HP / 44 SpD Mega Gyarados: 168-200 (83.1 - 99%) -- guaranteed 2HKO WE. LIVIN.
Calcs:



Offensive:
+1 116+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Crunch vs. 216 HP / 60 Def Cresselia: 192-228 (86.4 - 102.7%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO
+1 116+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Waterfall vs. 132 HP / 112 Def Heatran: 204-240 (111.4 - 131.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 116+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Crunch vs. 172 HP / 76 Def Aegislash-Shield: 158-188 (100.6 - 119.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO (this is a pretty big deal to me, I hate having to deal with WP slash)
116+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Waterfall vs. 164 HP / 4 Def Landorus-T: 170-204 (91.8 - 110.2%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO

Defensive:
252+ Atk Landorus-T Superpower vs. 252 HP / 92 Def Mega Gyarados: 138-164 (68.3 - 81.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Terrakion Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 92 Def Mega Gyarados: 174-206 (86.1 - 101.9%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 252 HP / 44 SpD Mega Gyarados: 168-200 (83.1 - 99%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Mega Gardevoir Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 44 SpD Mega Gyarados: 164-194 (81.1 - 96%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Zapdos Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 44 SpD Mega Gyarados: 128-152 (63.3 - 75.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Misdirection, boyz.


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Mist (Clefairy) @ Eviolite (Named after Ike's sister, mist. She's small and does healing stuff. So. Clefairy.)
Ability: Friend Guard
Level: 50
EVs: 236 HP / 204 Def / 4 SpA / 60 SpD / 4 Spe
Bold Nature
- Follow Me
- Thunder Wave
- Moonblast
- Protect

I didn't want to use Amoonguss only because everyone uses that dumb mushroom lol
Plus I have a personal gripe with it because it's so easy to spore spam.
Didn't wanna use togekiss because that'd just add to my electric weakness. So I decided on clefairy here. I wanted friend guard just to help with the extra bulk, so i went for fairy instead of fable.

Follow me is self explanatory. I also love it because it can make me dodge a taunt or t-wave for gyara to strengthen up. Moonblast was for general damage. Plus it's always nice to predict a taunt and get off some small damage on something, or decent chunks off of fighting/dragon/dark types. Protect is cruise control for cool. T-Wave, I question. I tried helping hand, t-wave, and even icy wind. Couldn't really decide on one, and looking back I should have done more testing. I settled on T-Wave just for the extra speed control plus landing paralysis's are always dope.

Pretty happy with clefairy here, friend guard definitely came in clutch in numerous occasions. It's also nice that the 2 most common steel types (heatran and aegislash) fear mega gyarados, so that's awesome. I think they're a great duo.



Defensive:
252+ Atk Iron Plate Bisharp Iron Head vs. 236 HP / 204+ Def Eviolite Clefairy: 138-164 (78.8 - 93.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Iron Plate Excadrill Iron Head vs. 236 HP / 204+ Def Eviolite Clefairy: 146-174 (83.4 - 99.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
164 Atk Tough Claws Mega Metagross Iron Head vs. 236 HP / 204+ Def Eviolite Clefairy: 146-174 (83.4 - 99.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Heatran Flash Cannon vs. 236 HP / 60 SpD Eviolite Clefairy: 132-156 (75.4 - 89.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Aegislash-Blade Flash Cannon vs. 236 HP / 60 SpD Eviolite Clefairy: 146-174 (83.4 - 99.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Double-Edge vs. 236 HP / 204+ Def Eviolite Clefairy: 128-154 (73.1 - 88%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Offensive:
4 SpA Clefairy Moonblast vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Scrafty: 132-156 (77.1 - 91.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO LOOOOOL it counts okay, nice and powerful clefairy

So, gyarados is weak to fairy. cant redirect hyper voice. so I need wide guard, or something to take them out.
HEATRAN BOYZ


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Kraggon (Heatran) @ Safety Goggles (I wouldn't mind having my own pet Kraggon. Google it.)
Ability: Flash Fire
Level: 50
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Flamethrower
- Earth Power
- Flash Cannon
- Protect

Heatran is probably my most used legend on vgc15. It's just really good. Beats amoonguss, deals with thundurus decently, hits aegislash, metagross, beats sylveon, and it even beats itself. Really standard fast tran here. Just to beat opposing heatrans, and hit sylveon. everything else is extra. I originally was running life orb, then chople berry. But life orb is on another user, and I kinda lose to TR Amoongus, so S-Goggles helps a lot. Pretty common item choice, and common mon/spread.



Offensive:
252 SpA Heatran Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 164 SpD Amoonguss: 152-182 (68.7 - 82.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Heatran Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 170 SpD Aegislash-Shield: 98-116 (58.6 - 69.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Heatran Flamethrower vs. 44 HP / 4 SpD Mega Metagross: 144-170 (89.4 - 105.5%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Heatran Earth Power vs. 132 HP / 12 SpD Heatran: 196-232 (107.1 - 126.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Heatran Flash Cannon vs. 248 HP / 4 SpD Sylveon: 110-132 (54.7 - 65.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Defensive:
N/A

Next is the speed control game.


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Kaminari (Zapdos) @ Sitrus Berry (It means thunder. Clever, amirite?)
Ability: Pressure  
Level: 50  
EVs: 232 HP / 40 Def / 20 SpA / 100 SpD / 116 Spe  
Bold Nature  
- Thunderbolt  
- Hidden Power [Ice]  
- Tailwind  
- Roost

This spread was literally ripped from user Black117. Except for his particular set, he was running heat wave. Still, EV's and all are his. So major credits to him.
Thanks to this set, Zapdos has honestly become my favorite tailwind user. Which.. surprises me. This mon constantly surprises me. My first time using it was an offensive set and it was amazing. Now I'm using a bulkier set, and it's still amazing.

Anywho, standard set of STAB, hp Ice, tailwind, roost. Nothing else to really say. I just really like this Pokemon a lot, and basically all of my current tailwind teams have Zapdos on it. It's nichze.



Defensive:
252+ Atk Landorus-T Rock Slide vs. 232 HP / 40+ Def Zapdos: 76-90 (39.1 - 46.3%) -- 78.7% chance to 3HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery
252+ Atk Choice Band Landorus-T Rock Slide vs. 232 HP / 40+ Def Zapdos: 112-134 (57.7 - 69%) -- 67.6% chance to 2HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery
252 Atk Terrakion Rock Slide vs. 232 HP / 40+ Def Zapdos: 96-114 (49.4 - 58.7%) -- 10.9% chance to 2HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery
252+ Atk Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 232 HP / 40+ Def Zapdos: 100-118 (51.5 - 60.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery
252 SpA Life Orb Latios Ice Beam vs. 232 HP / 100 SpD Zapdos: 133-156 (68.5 - 80.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery

Offensive:
20 SpA Zapdos Thunderbolt vs. 232 HP / 72 SpD Politoed: 116-140 (59.7 - 72.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
20 SpA Zapdos Hidden Power Ice vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-T: 136-164 (82.4 - 99.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
20 SpA Zapdos Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 60 SpD Suicune: 104-126 (50.2 - 60.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (probably the most important calc for offense)

My next choice may be a little weird. I dunno, some think it's weird.


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Adlet Mayer (Blaziken) @ Life Orb  (I'm the strongest man in the world!)
Ability: Speed Boost  
Level: 50  
EVs: 196 Atk / 156 SpA / 156 Spe  
Naughty Nature  
- Overheat  
- Low Kick  
- Rock Slide  
- Protect

Some people might think it's weird to have a speed boost mon on a tailwind team, but I don't. Speed boost pokemon are kind of a "speed control" type for themself, so it's nice to have. It can sometimes combat opposing tailwind users according to their spreads/my speed boosts, and if both of us have tailwind up Blaziken still stays the fastest on the field. I really enjoyed using Blaziken, as it racks up so many KO's and just a threat that I feel is a little uncommon to most players.

I sat here running calcs with this thing for like 7 hours
Not really, but I was definitely calcing things for a while. I've never used Blaziken seriously in VGC and didn't like other builds, so I went in and tinkered around with spreads. I basically wanted a way to hit Kang reliably, toss Aegislash even more, hit other heatrans, metagross, yadda yadda, you get the deal.

I forget exactly why I did this exact ev spread, as I made this like a month ago. But it does important stuff probably.
I really can't remember the speed reasoning. But I know I sat there calcing speed for a while, with speed boosts and without. I know with 1 speed boost I outspeed like all mega threats. Kang, Char-Y, Metagross, etc. Sorry I can't remember ;N; But the damage calcs are really cool.



Offensive:
196+ Atk Life Orb Blaziken Rock Slide vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Mega Charizard Y: 203-239 (109.7 - 129.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
156 SpA Life Orb Blaziken Overheat vs. 156 HP / 112 SpD Mega Metagross: 198-237 (113.1 - 135.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
156 SpA Life Orb Blaziken Overheat vs. 252 HP / 8 SpD Aegislash-Shield: 172-203 (102.9 - 121.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
196+ Atk Life Orb Blaziken Low Kick (100 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Kangaskhan: 221-265 (122 - 146.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
196+ Atk Life Orb Blaziken Low Kick (120 BP) vs. 244 HP / 148 Def Heatran: 218-260 (110.6 - 131.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Defensive:
N/A


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Henry (Gengar) @ Focus Sash  (Well, I usually disarm my foes by removing their arms.)
Ability: Levitate  
Level: 50  
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe  
Timid Nature  
- Shadow Ball  
- Sludge Bomb  
- Taunt  
- Will-O-Wisp

This used to be scarfed Latios, for Landorus-T but I basically found out that I didn't need it/scarf latios isn't that good due to how easy it is to predict. I switched to Gengar and well, I'm okay with it here. I went for 4 moves, no protect with sash. It's fun to burn bisharps/kangs that try to sucker punch Gengar. I also wanted a taunt user to annoy thundurus. I also felt like Gengar was fine here since I have so many ways to beat Aegislash, and finally Gengar fills the role of being able to switch into EQ's easily.

Nothing else to really say about this mon, I'm happy with it. Calcs arent really worth showing, because Gengar doesn't really snatch any important OHKO's. It always barely misses a one shot. Which is fine honestly, since that means all I have to do it hit something with a rock slide and then Gengar comes through on whatever. It's much more important for it's taunting/burning roll, than it is for it's chip damage.


Anywho, that's the team. Yeah buddy.

Blaziken/Zapdos/Gyarados for the MVP's.

Wanna try the team yourself? Take it.


Carnage (Gyarados) @ Gyaradosite  
Ability: Intimidate  
Level: 50  
Shiny: Yes  
EVs: 252 HP / 116 Atk / 92 Def / 44 SpD / 4 Spe  
Adamant Nature  
- Dragon Dance  
- Protect  
- Waterfall  
- Crunch  

Kraggon (Heatran) @ Safety Goggles  
Ability: Flash Fire  
Level: 50  
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe  
Timid Nature  
- Flamethrower  
- Earth Power  
- Flash Cannon  
- Protect  

Kaminari (Zapdos) @ Sitrus Berry  
Ability: Pressure  
Level: 50  
EVs: 232 HP / 40 Def / 20 SpA / 100 SpD / 116 Spe  
Bold Nature  
- Thunderbolt  
- Hidden Power [Ice]  
- Tailwind  
- Roost  

Adlet Mayer (Blaziken) @ Life Orb  
Ability: Speed Boost  
Level: 50  
EVs: 196 Atk / 156 SpA / 156 Spe  
Naughty Nature  
- Overheat  
- Low Kick  
- Rock Slide  
- Protect  

Mist (Clefairy) @ Eviolite  
Ability: Friend Guard  
Level: 50  
EVs: 236 HP / 204 Def / 4 SpA / 60 SpD / 4 Spe  
Bold Nature  
- Follow Me  
- Thunder Wave  
- Moonblast  
- Protect  

Henry (Gengar) @ Focus Sash  
Ability: Levitate  
Level: 50  
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe  
Timid Nature  
- Shadow Ball  
- Sludge Bomb  
- Taunt  
- Will-O-Wisp


RE: Rogue's Team dump #2: Mega Gyarados & Tailwind - Podfighterninja123 - Sep 8, 2015

y u no john cena Kappa

RE: Rogue's Team dump #2: Mega Gyarados & Tailwind - Rogue - Sep 8, 2015

(Sep 8, 2015, 12:28 PM)podfighterninja123 Wrote: y u no john cena Kappa

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RE: Rogue's Team dump #2: Mega Gyarados & Tailwind - Pokeventurer - Sep 8, 2015

(Sep 8, 2015, 12:31 PM)Rogue Wrote:
(Sep 8, 2015, 12:28 PM)podfighterninja123 Wrote: y u no john cena Kappa

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I'M SCARRED FOR LIFE!

RE: Rogue's Team dump #2: Mega Gyarados & Tailwind - Eckley - Sep 8, 2015

(Sep 8, 2015, 12:31 PM)Rogue Wrote: [Image: giphy.gif]

This is better than the team

RE: Rogue's Team dump #2: Mega Gyarados & Tailwind - Podfighterninja123 - Sep 8, 2015

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It has happened

RE: Rogue's Team dump #2: Mega Gyarados & Tailwind - DanielJames - Sep 8, 2015

(Sep 8, 2015, 03:13 PM)podfighterninja123 Wrote: [Image: fe4b0f2847a21b9c930b8f43657065b6.png]
It has happened

Ice Beam Mega Kang OP.

RE: Rogue's Team dump #2: Mega Gyarados & Tailwind - GingerxPug - Sep 8, 2015

Wait, Henry the Gengar?
...
WITH THAT LIL JOKE THATS FE AWAKENING HENRY AYYYYE Kappa

RE: Rogue's Team dump #2: Mega Gyarados & Tailwind - Rogue - Sep 9, 2015

(Sep 8, 2015, 03:13 PM)podfighterninja123 Wrote: [Image: fe4b0f2847a21b9c930b8f43657065b6.png]
It has happened

B-But kang gets ice punch...

RE: Rogue's Team dump #2: Mega Gyarados & Tailwind - terrorkid94 - Sep 9, 2015

Why use ice beam when kangaskhan can use blizzard, icy wind, and hp ice all better options than ice beam or ice punch