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Do u even dance Bro? : Battle spot Doubles, Team Help required for a weirdo. - Pokeventurer - Sep 25, 2015

Hi guys sorry if i get annoying, but oh, yes!!!!! i finally did managed to pull through a very solid team, i think... but to remove any doubts i should be posting it over here and hope to get more advice for it's improvement. so today i finally sat down with paper and a pen to make a good team other than copying the one's from top players though, it turned out to be really good. hope my descriptions are enough, let's get started:

NOTE: plz read through the teambuilding process to get why was every specific mon put on the team, the team discussion would cover up the individual spreads, movesets (move selection) and some secret synergies b/w the members.


Team building process:

So as i mentioned i started with paper and a pen and listed down all the top tier (most used) meta mons that were basically gonna be my first targets to take down and started to think of a pokemon/mega maybe that i wanted to use in this team effectively against the meta. i came up with two ideas, the duck that i was ever so hyped about to use in 2016 season, and already had a killer spread for it, also i though bringing back mega manectric's lost potential would be good. i knew there was some synergy to keep manectric alive with redirection and help magmar with intimidate and snarl's possibilities. hence:
[Image: magmar.gif] [Image: manectric.gif]

Then i just slapped on a latios considering how much and how well it would cover a big chunk on meta with tons of speed following OHKO'es and coverage on it's moves. it fits well alongside magma's helping hand to OHKO some AV lando variants. latios covered up manectric's ground weakness though
[Image: magmar.gif] [Image: manectric.gif] [Image: latios.gif]

i noticed that the trio could struggle against hyper voices and EQ, with RS' adding to it, still the only thing that came to my mind was the use of wide guard and to possible options to go for it, one being conk, the other aegi. to be honest at first glance i was gonna surely put aegislash for covering the gardevoir threat and go from there. however over faeries and mirror-struggles, over it conk gave me the best fighting coverage and another surprise move to keep in the back pocket to surprise for betterment of the team. not gonna spoil it for now.
[Image: magmar.gif] [Image: manectric.gif] [Image: latios.gif] [Image: conkeldurr.gif]

this was patched up for a nyc core, next i saw some weaknesses to cover up fire types, fairy and psychic types. so there came these two slots were filled up by milotic and scizor, regarding synergy with the team, which will be discussed later in this thread
[Image: magmar.gif] [Image: manectric.gif]  [Image: latios.gif] [Image: conkeldurr.gif] [Image: milotic-female.gif] [Image: scizor.gif]


The Team:

[Image: magmar.gif]
Magmar @ Eviolite  
Ability: Flame Body  
EVs: 252 HP / 164 Def / 4 SpA / 12 SpD / 76 Spe  
Bold Nature  
- Follow Me  
- Will-O-Wisp  
- Overheat  
- Helping Hand

So i did a thread about magmar, explaining this spread in depth, so don't mind cuz it'll be just a copy/paste thingie i guess (some things changed as with team-specifics, so don't worry) : it does alot of things at once as i will explain what is it's viability. Magmar can be a pokemon invested in 'all bulk' however that will make it loose a very important benchmark and threat to itself. i specially EV'd it to outspeed adamant max speed bisharps by one point, which may seem weird at first, however bisharp is a pokemon that can knock off it's eviolite, so i did so, to maybe burn this variant, or even flamethrower it, depending on the item confirmation/knowledge you have. so there goes that. now for the defensive investment, almost all went into the somewhat terrible physical defense, the rest was distributed to sp.def and then to avoid a waste of EV's 4 leftovers was added to the sp.atk stat. The moveset is simple, which would be follow me *standard* and then helping hand to support members like, well everyhting to get off some more damage, most importantly using draco's with latios and in attempt to OHKO AV lando variants. then comes the will-o-wisp so that it can punish physical attackers even further and be more bulkier, the last slot is chosen for overheat so that it can counter things like aegislash, amoongus, ferrothorn, scizor and even brelooms in matches. Time for damage calcs:

-1 196+ Atk Choice Band Landorus-T Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 164+ Def Eviolite Magmar: 150-176 (87.2 - 102.3%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Landorus-T Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 164+ Def Eviolite Magmar: 94-112 (54.6 - 65.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Landorus-T Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 164+ Def Eviolite Magmar: 140-168 (81.3 - 97.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Heatran Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Magmar: 88-104 (51.1 - 60.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Landorus-T Rock Slide vs. 252 HP / 164+ Def Eviolite Magmar: 70-84 (40.6 - 48.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ SpA Politoed Scald vs. 252 HP / 12 SpD Eviolite Magmar in Rain: 134-162 (77.9 - 94.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Aegislash-Blade Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 12 SpD Eviolite Magmar: 63-75 (36.6 - 43.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Return vs. 252 HP / 164+ Def Eviolite Magmar: 96-114 (55.8 - 66.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Double-Edge vs. 252 HP / 164+ Def Eviolite Magmar: 126-148 (73.2 - 86%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Life Orb Ludicolo Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 12 SpD Eviolite Magmar: 159-190 (92.4 - 110.4%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO
252+ SpA Ludicolo Scald vs. 252 HP / 12 SpD Eviolite Magmar in Rain: 134-162 (77.9 - 94.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Aerilate Mega Salamence Double-Edge vs. 252 HP / 164+ Def Eviolite Magmar: 109-129 (63.3 - 75%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[Image: manectric-mega.gif]
Manectric-Mega @ Manectite  
Ability: Lightning Rod  
Level: 50  
EVs: 108 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 140 Spe  
Timid Nature  
- Thunderbolt  
- Snarl  
- Hidden Power [Ground]  
- Protect

Next up is something called by me, a pokemon with lot potential, sorry if those words seem wrong, but making it work is my job though. manectric in it's base form had the lightningrod ability, to redirect fished electric attacks from milotic and buff up before it mega evolves. manectric being the frailest of the frail mons, however the fastest of the fast, gave me idea for once against my weird EV spreads. this probably scares u off, however, chill cuz it is really trained to outspeed mence by one point (which with 252 investment, with non-boosting nature wasn't possible) so timid, cuz it is the fastest pokemon before scarf lando, which my team mates probably take care of for me. the rest went to bulk with snarl and intimidate adding to it. it isn't there for a specific reason though, then it goes for max damage output, and that's it, i am confused b/w the choice of thunder or snarl, it's cuz of a mon i'll discuss later though.

-1 252+ Atk Landorus-T Earthquake vs. 108 HP / 4 Def Mega Manectric: 120-144 (75.4 - 90.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Heatran Earth Power vs. 108 HP / 4 SpD Mega Manectric: 136-160 (85.5 - 100.6%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Mega Manectric Helping Hand Hidden Power Ground vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Heatran: 204-240 (103 - 121.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Mega Manectric Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 20 SpD Politoed: 156-186 (79.1 - 94.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Mega Manectric Helping Hand Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 20 SpD Politoed: 234-276 (118.7 - 140.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 132+ SpA Milotic Scald vs. 108 HP / 4 SpD Mega Manectric: 135-159 (84.9 - 100%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

[Image: latios.gif]
Latios @ Choice Scarf  
Ability: Levitate  
Level: 50  
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe  
Modest Nature  
- Draco Meteor  
- Ice Beam  
- Psyshock  
- Energy Ball

Latios is here for nothing too much, the spread is here just cuz it's there to do damage and do it as fast as possible, now this would be the fastest mon on the field i guess, until we hit the TR boundaries. latios is a really good pokemon for covering metamons like hydreigon, salamence, landorus, thundurus, gastrodon, amoongus, venusaur, garchomp, rotom-w, gastrodon and name more as u can. i choose psyshock over psychic because of all the AV variants around on the scene, who can somewhat shut down latios, specifically talking conkeldurr on the scene and it really helps out against the mon. so probably that was it for latios.

252+ SpA Latios Helping Hand Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Landorus-T: 208-248 (106.1 - 126.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ SpA Latios Helping Hand Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Amoonguss: 204-240 (92.3 - 108.5%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
252+ SpA Latios Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 240+ Def Mega Venusaur: 98-116 (52.4 - 62%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Latios Helping Hand Psyshock vs. 20 HP / 12 Def Conkeldurr: 234-276 (127.8 - 150.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ SpA Latios Energy Ball vs. 252 HP / 116 SpD Rotom-W: 96-114 (61.1 - 72.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Latios Ice Beam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Hydreigon: 124-148 (73.8 - 88%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[Image: conkeldurr.gif]
Conkeldurr @ Expert Belt  
Ability: Guts  
Level: 50  
Shiny: Yes  
EVs: 52 HP / 172 Atk / 76 Def / 204 SpD / 4 Spe  
Adamant Nature  
- Drain Punch  
- Mach Punch  
- Wide Guard  
- Rain Dance

Next up is a pokemon that was a must come and then brought a series of opportunities to utilize the team with itself. conkeldurr with it's amazing fighting type power and coverage get's to break down opponents like scrafty, kang, hydreigon, bisharp, excadrill, t-tar and more than that who were all once metagame threats. i can also use conk as a counter to TR as it can hit hard the usual scrafties and heatran inside TR as well be a threat for the gardevoirs i'll face. wide guard was the most important move, as well as the main reason conk was put on the team, you already know what are the main things it covers for us. Rain dance is the last and the most surprising and fun move to use for numerous reasons. as i finished my team, i realized that my scizor can only live fire type h-waves from tran and zard behind rain, and manectric and milotic can both take really take great advantage from it, so why not use it? the team is quiet bulky from nature and natural sweeps so i wasn't scared to not run detect/protect on 3x of my pokemons. the EV spread survives adamant kang double edges. my first trio was weak to rain (mag and lati) so i went with guts to remove the threat of scalds, and then added expert belt to add to damage.

172+ Atk Expert Belt Conkeldurr Drain Punch vs. 4 HP / 4 Def Hydreigon: 182-218 (108.3 - 129.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
172+ Atk Expert Belt Conkeldurr Drain Punch vs. 92 HP / 44 Def Kangaskhan: 194-230 (101 - 119.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
172+ Atk Expert Belt Conkeldurr Drain Punch vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Mega Tyranitar: 202-245 (97.5 - 118.3%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
etc...

[Image: milotic.gif]
Milotic @ Sitrus Berry  
Ability: Competitive  
Shiny: Yes  
EVs: 252 HP / 140 Def / 4 SpA / 60 SpD / 52 Spe  
Calm Nature  
- Scald  
- Icy Wind  
- Toxic  
- Recover

next came up milotic through which i wanted to counter fire types with effectiveness, on this mon i also wanted speed control and there is something quite complex about this milotic which would be toxic. milotic is really effective in the late game on the thought of the combination of moves like icy wind, toxic and recover and i loved using it, until anything tagged steel types appeared. again the loss of protect isn't that much as people will almost-always won't target it expecting a protect, if i don't reveal my my full moveset. milotic is one f the best pokemons to completely wipe off the bulky fire types, by slowly whittling them down. Milotic's spread is simple and effective it is trained to live kang attacks (again) the seed investment creeps 4 speed invested rotoms and get a burn or do alot of damage to some, dependent on forms. Competitive really scares away things i hate e.g. salamence, landorus, scrafty etc...

252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Double-Edge vs. 252 HP / 140 Def Milotic: 168-199 (83.1 - 98.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Thundurus Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 60+ SpD Milotic: 140-166 (69.3 - 82.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
etc....

[Image: scizor-mega.gif]
Scizor-Mega @ Scizorite  
Ability: Technician  
Level: 50  
EVs: 252 HP / 52 Atk / 84 Def / 116 SpD / 4 Spe  
Adamant Nature  
- Bug Bite  
- Bullet Punch  
- Swords Dance  
- Protect

As said before last up was the major weakness of the fairy and psychich types, to be honest my team could also potentially be troubled by AV ludi's so a counter to add up to that too. the perfect pokemon for all the job's that came to my mind was scizor, and then why not go dual mega with mega scizor right? so all thanks to this spread for Black117's legendary spread thread which makes a mega scizor accomplish many and many attacks while doing back tons of my damage with swords dance, this synergizes well with magmar's follow me. scozor isn't the main focal point of the team, though it rocks in some matches. this was it for the team and i patched it up on this slot

252+ SpA Aegislash-Blade Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 116 SpD Mega Scizor: 75-88 (42.3 - 49.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ SpA Heatran Heat Wave vs. 252 HP / 116 SpD Mega Scizor in Rain: 156-184 (88.1 - 103.9%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
244+ SpA Charizard Heat Wave vs. 252 HP / 116 SpD Mega Scizor in Rain: 136-168 (76.8 - 94.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 52+ Atk Technician Mega Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Sylveon: 224-266 (110.8 - 131.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 52+ Atk Technician Mega Scizor Bug Bite vs. 236 HP / 204+ Def Cresselia: 218-258 (96.8 - 114.6%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
+2 52+ Atk Technician Mega Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 108 HP / 124 Def Gardevoir: 260-308 (165.6 - 196.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
etc....

Battle Vids:

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/battlespotdoubles-274233308

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/battlespotdoubles-274414248

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/battlespotdoubles-274416577

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/battlespotdoubles-274417081

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/battlespotdoubles-274420897

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/battlespotdoubles-274422779

Conclusion:
So guys this was it for my team, it is built yesterday and i made this post as quick as possible to get effective advice. hope you guys have good advice for it. Bye for now!

RE: Do u even dance Bro? : VGC16, Team Help required for a weirdo. - Slec - Sep 25, 2015

this isnt VGC 16, the VGC 16 meta game is still the same as 15. Please put the title as battle spot doubles to prevent confusion Smile

RE: Do u even dance Bro? : VGC16, Team Help required for a weirdo. - yugiohtrav12 - Sep 25, 2015

As Mudkiplegend said this isnt VGC16 as the metagame right now is the same as VGC15 untill I think January when the new ruleset comes out. This right now is just for Battle Spot.

RE: Do u even dance Bro? : Battle spot Doubles, Team Help required for a weirdo. - Pokeventurer - Sep 25, 2015

(Sep 25, 2015, 12:00 PM)MudkipLegend Wrote: this isnt VGC 16, the VGC 16 meta game is still the same as 15. Please put the title as battle spot doubles to prevent confusion Smile

(Sep 25, 2015, 12:08 PM)yugiohtrav12 Wrote: As Mudkiplegend said this isnt VGC16 as the metagame right now is the same as VGC15 untill I think January when the new ruleset comes out. This right now is just for Battle Spot.

I know i am an idiot thanks to podfighterninja for letting me know it :P that issue is fixed.
so can we get to 'rate' the team?

RE: Do u even dance Bro? : Battle spot Doubles, Team Help required for a weirdo. - Delta - Sep 25, 2015

Well, before I go deeper into this, I want to do a tried and true method; battling

I would love to battle you, and then I can properly RYT.

RE: Do u even dance Bro? : Battle spot Doubles, Team Help required for a weirdo. - Pokeventurer - Sep 25, 2015

(Sep 25, 2015, 12:40 PM)Delta Wrote: Well, before I go deeper into this, I want to do a tried and true method; battling

I would love to battle you, and then I can properly RYT.

what bout now? but i know i'll mess up specially when someone challenges me :P
btw call me out on showdown, i'm online

RE: Do u even dance Bro? : Battle spot Doubles, Team Help required for a weirdo. - Delta - Sep 25, 2015

U suk

RE: Do u even dance Bro? : Battle spot Doubles, Team Help required for a weirdo. - Pokeventurer - Sep 25, 2015

(Sep 25, 2015, 01:00 PM)Delta Wrote: U suk










I'm kidding, of course

LO landy.... *nightmares*

RE: Do u even dance Bro? : Battle spot Doubles, Team Help required for a weirdo. - Delta - Sep 25, 2015

Okay, in all actuality, I have a few things that could be changed. Mainly, WHY DO YOU HAVE RAIN DANCE ON YOUR CONKELUDURR!!! IF YOU HAD ICE PUNCH, THEN LANDORUS IN TRICK ROOM WOULD BE A PIECE OF CAKE!!!

I have used Milotic many, many times, and I would say replace Toxic with Mirror Coat. In my battle with MudkipLegend, he foolishly used Energy Ball on my Milotic, and I KO'd him with Mirror Coat. He tried to use Thunderbolt on my Milotic, KO'd the Zapdos. Basically, Mirror Coat is lov. Mirror Coat is lyf.

Scizor and Manetric look good. They seem to survive what they need to survive, the only problem is, they need help before they can really do lots of damage.

Latios is a great addition to your team, but, it lacks power. I would replace Choice Scarf with Life Orb, mainly because Landorus doesn't threaten Latios much anyways, and the power increase is quite large.

Magmar Magmar Magmar Magmar MAGMAR!
What the actual Shuckle. Why is there a Magmar on a competitive team #TheDuckIsBlind Out of all the Pokemon to choose from, you choose Magmar. Never mind the fact that Amoongus, Togetic, Togekiss, Volcorona, and even Pachirisu are better redirect Pokemon. I. Just. No. I'm sorry, but you want to take care of the meta, and yet you use, THIS:
[Image: realistic_magmar_by_xtwilight_samox.png]


Also, LIFE ORB LANDORUS BOIEZ!!

RE: Do u even dance Bro? : Battle spot Doubles, Team Help required for a weirdo. - Eckley - Sep 25, 2015

One thing that stands out to me is Aegislash. Conkeldurr, Latios and Scizor all get walled by it. I know you have Magmar, but what if it goes down before you can KO Aegi?