#572 Minccino

sandragon13 · (This post was last modified: Jul 12, 2015, 12:13 PM by sandragon13.)

I have an ongoing Fakedex project that will eventually produce an entire new generation of Pokemon for an RPG of my design on another site. For the last 3+ years, I have been designing these Fakemon to be fully fleshed out, viable species, just as the real ones are. I'm more than 85% complete through the process of completing the Dex. What I'd need now, however, is feedback on them. Specifically, I want to try to determine viable move sets, set checks and counters, and eventually use that feedback to establish the equivalent of tiers for the site. For that feedback, I need the aid of competitive Pokemon players and everyday trainers alike, willing to donate time to help me achieve the level of realism I've been striving towards.

I'd like to hear back from some of the competitive players here who would be willing to review stats, movepools, and move sets. For the purposes of the thread, the Fakedex would function initially in a vacuum, with no real Pokemon being taken into account during evaluation. They should, at least for now, be compared only amongst each other.

It is highly recommended that you take advantage of the Pokemon Showdown battle calculator to check offensive/defensive calcs, just like you would on normal Pokemon. I've outlined that process here.

Please be aware that all TMs are designated as of X/Y. Secret Power may be available as a tutor move that all TM-learning Pokemon can be taught, and other tutor moves are currently being worked on. Learnability of TM/HMs is designated by color:
Red - Learned by lowest evolutionary form
Light Green - Learned by middle evolutionary form
Dark Green - Learned by final evolutionary form
HMs are designated as follows: HM1 Cut, HM2 Fly, HM3 Surf, HM4 Strength, HM5 Waterfall, HM6 Dive, HM7 Whirlpool, HM08 Rock Climb, HM09 Defog

For simplification, I am listing the stats for all evolutions within a line, but only the moves learned by the final form.

Previous version of this thread

#001-#003 - Flittle > Melisucre > Laetzel

#004-#006 - Cubburn > Ursoot > Sizzley

#007-#009 - Elefount > Seaquele > Pachydon

#010-#011 - Hampstor > Champster

#012-#014 - Quimp > Quivail > Quailush

#015-#017 - Golgrub > Scaurum > Scarabling

#018-#019- Blamb > Battram

#020-#021- Lithlep > Bouldare

#022-#023- Kicket > Locrusht

#024-#025- Piwi > Megamoa

#026-#027- Kaoalla > Koallop

#028 -#029- Pupple > Shampoodle

#030-#031 - Voltry > Shockrel

#032 Pignatta

#033-#037 - Fweather > Umbrain / Touclaro / Snowflock / Hoatzand

Fweather: 40/50/55/70/55/50, 320. Type: Normal/Flying Abilities: Overcoat/Cloud Nine Hidden Ability: Anticipation
Umbrain: 69/79/74/95/77/83, 477. Type: Normal/Flying Abilities: Overcoat/Water Veil Hidden Ability: Hydration
Touclaro: 69/79/74/95/77/83, 477. Type: Normal/Flying Abilities: Overcoat/Solar Power Hidden Ability: Leaf Guard
Snowflock: 69/79/74/95/77/83, 477. Type: Normal/Flying Abilities: Overcoat/Snow Cloak Hidden Ability: Ice Body
Hoatzand: 69/79/74/95/77/83, 477. Type: Normal/Flying Abilities: Overcoat/Sand Force Hidden Ability: Magic Guard

Movepool:
#34 Umbrain
-Rain Dance
-Defog
-Gust
14 – Water Gun
17 – Pluck
21 – Disarming Voice
25 – Weather Ball
30 – Rain Dance
32 – Flatter
33 – Air Slash
36 – Water Pulse
41 – Soak
46 –Muddy Water
50 – Hurricane

#35 Touclaro
-Sunny Day
-Defog
-Gust
14 – Ember
17 – Pluck
21 – Take Down
25 – Weather Ball
30 – Sunny Day
32 – Morning Sun
33 – Drill Peck
36 – Flame Burst
41 – Haze
46 – Heat Wave
50 – Sky Attack

#36 Snowflock
-Hail
-Defog
-Gust
14 – Powder Snow
17 – Pluck
21 – Taunt
25 – Weather Ball
30 – Hail
32 – Hypnosis
33 – Air Slash
36 – Icy Wind
41 – Mist
46 – Snow Pack
50 – Blizzard

#37 Hoatzand
-Sandstorm
-Defog
-Gust
14 – Mud-Slap
17 – Pluck
21 – Fury Attack
25 – Weather Ball
30 – Sandstorm
32 – Rock Polish
33 – Drill Peck
36 – Ancient Power
41 – Mud Bomb
46 – Grit Blast
50 – Brave Bird

Learned by previous evolutions: Whirlwind, Razor Wind, Twister
Egg Moves: Knock Off, Feather Dance, Natural Gift, Hurricane, Ominous Wind, Future Sight, Weather Ball
TMs/HMs
Note: Blue-Umbrain-Exclusive Yellow-Touclaro-Exclusive Grey-Snowflock-Exclusive Brown-Hoatzand-Exclusive
Umbrain Movesets
Touclaro Movesets
Snowflock Movesets
Hoatzand Movesets
Note: Grit Blast: 80 BP Special Rock-type Move, 10% chance of lowering Sp. Def.
Note: Snow Pack: -- BP Status Ice-type Move, Restores health. 50% under no weather, 66% under Hail, 25% under all other weather conditions.

#038 -#039- Dustamble > Dustrek

#040 Arbore

#041-#042- Gloam > Gnoloam

#043 Sparkupine

#044-#046- Gusquire > Whirlwiz / Cycrone

#047 Jerboalt

#048 Psi-aye

#049-#050 - Divarrow > Herarrow

#051 Coulumble

#052-#053 - Taurcher > Sagitaur

#054-#055 - Cardinil > Cardinull

#056-#057 - Jaydid > Jayzing

#058-#059 - Alkatrap > Drungeon

#060-#061- Rockit > Comit

#064-#066 - Pandagen > Pandamic > Pandamonum

#067-#068 - Owltlet > Tekstrix

#069-#070 - Weaviper > Decepzen

#071-#072 - Crudrone > Petroyal

#073-#074 - Powelp > Powchow

#075-#076 - Swirlwind > Scournado

#077-#078 - Moushroud > Mouseleum

#079-#080 - Malpaca > Dillama

#081 Newtonne

#084-#085 - Ceramink > Ferracotta

#086-#087 - Maggore > Putrifly

#088-#089 - Zombee > Gornet

#090 Camoconda

#091-#092 - Pipochin > Wrenchimp

#093-#094 - Pixigon > Vexigon

#095 -#096 - Princense > Missmatch

#097 -#098 - Marimood > Marimote

#099 -#100 - Pilit > Thermote

#104-#106 - Wondero > Powero > Supero

#107 -#108 - Plusheet > Pilload

#109 -#110 - Flambino > Flambingo

#111 -#112 - Knifry > Maulin

#113 -#114 - Drollfin > Pompoise

#115 -#116 - Thumbolt > Krakohm

#117 Dreadeep

#121-#122- Cubii > Cuubii

Cubii: 59/59/39/69/79/69, 374. Type: Psychic/Dark Abilities: Contrary Hidden Ability: Plane Shift
Cuubii: 79/89/69/99/109/89, 534. Type: Psychic/Dark Abilities: Contrary Hidden Ability: Plane Shift
Movepool:
#122 Cuubii
-Magic Room
-Wonder Room
-Astonish
-Teleport
-Sharpen
-Confusion
15 – Double Team
20 – Feint Attack
25 – Portal Glitch
30 – Substitute
37 – Psychic
42 – Ally Switch
48 – Phantom Force
52 – Dark Pulse
57 – Trick Room

Learned by previous evolutions: None
Egg Moves: Confuse Ray, Trick, Shadow Sneak, Magic Coat, Barrier, Switcheroo, Psycho Shift, Sketch, Skill Swap
TMs/HMs
Cuubii Movesets (None yet Submitted)
Portal Glitch (Attack): Forces the target out of play in a trainer battle, dragging in a randomly chosen Pokémon from the opponent’s team. In wild encounters, forces the opponent to flee as long as they are of lower level than the user. Fails if used when the opponent has no inactive Pokémon, if the target has Suction Cups or is rooted by Ingrain, or if it is used against a same- or higher-leveled targets in a wild encounter. This attack is not blocked by Substitute. Is functionally identical to Roar and Whirlwind, save that it hits opponents with the Soundproof ability (unlike Roar). This attack’s effect can be reflected by Magic Coat and Magic Bounce. This attack works on Dark-types, despite being Psychic-typed. This move has -6 priority.
Plane Shift (Ability): Raises the user’s Evasion stat by one stage for each stat lowered by an opponent, including the Evasion stat. This does not include self-induced stat drops such as those from Close Combat. Plane Shift will not activate if the user’s stat is lowered by an ally in double or triple battles. This ability activates once per each incidence of a stat-dropping action (that is, Intimidate lowers Attack by one stage, Screech lowers Defense by two stages, and Plane Shift only activates once in both of these cases. Regardless of the number of stages the stat is lowered, Plane Shift only activates once for that incidence). Plane Shift can be activated twice in a turn only if it has a stat/stats lowered through two separate actions (such as two Intimidate users) in a single turn, as in a Double or Triple battle.

#123 Tectrapod

#124 - Eevee > Chesheon

#125 - Eevee > Meleeon

#126 -#127 - Chibli > Grotoro

#128-#129 - Greenade > Bamboom

#130-#131 - Conchious > Knowtilus

sandragon13 · (This post was last modified: Jul 12, 2015, 02:34 PM by sandragon13.)

#132-#134 - Wisper > Cirrse > Thundread

#135-#136 - Stegossil > Stegoxic

#137-#138 - Raptorch > Velociraze

#139-#140 - Resicore > Paleoak

#143 Hauntlet

More to come.

sandragon13 · Jul 12, 2015, 12:01 PM

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PokemonRules · Jul 12, 2015, 12:03 PM

(Jul 12, 2015, 12:00 PM)sandragon13 Wrote: #132-#134 - Wisper > Cirrse > Thundread

Wisper: 55/15/60/60/50/35, 275. Type: Ghost/Flying Abilities: Rain Dish/Lightningrod Hidden Ability: Cloud Nine
Cirrse: 65/30/75/82/63/45, 370. Type: Ghost/Flying Abilities: Rain Dish/Lightningrod Hidden Ability: Cloud Nine
Thundread: 80/48/100/119/75/98, 520. Type: Ghost/Flying Abilities: Rain Dish/Lightningrod Hidden Ability: Cloud Nine

Movepool:
#134 Thundread
-Fake Out
-Mist
-Thundershock
19 – Charge
23 – Gust
28 – Smokescreen
31 – Night Shade
35 – Ominous Wind
39 – Rain Dance
42 – Air Slash
46 – Icy Wind
50 – Thunder
55 - Hurricane
60 - Boomburst

Learned by previous evolutions: None
Egg Moves: Haze, Shadow Sneak, Weather Ball, Discharge, Hail, Phantom Force, Muddy Water
TMs/HMs
Thundread Movesets (None Yet Submitted)

#135-#136 - Stegossil > Stegoxic

Stegossil: 60/47/67/67/65/49, 355. Type: Rock/Poison Abilities: Solar Power/Energetic Hidden Ability: Chlorophyll
Stegoxic: 90/78/93/86/90/76, 495. Type: Rock/Poison Abilities: Solar Power/Energetic Hidden Ability: Chlorophyll
Movepool:
#136 – Stegoxic
-Tackle
-Tail Whip
-Defense Curl
-Poison Sting
19 – Smack Down
26 – Morning Sun
32 – Poison Tail
37 – Tail Slap
40 – Wide Guard
42 – Ancient Power
46 – Toxic Spikes
52 – Rock Slide
58 – Poison Jab
61 – Sunny Day

Learned by previous evolutions: None
Egg Moves: Flail, Endure, Dragon Rush, Stomp, Power Whip, Rock Blast, Coil, Spikes
TMs/HMs
Stegossil Movesets (None yet Submitted)

#137-#138 - Raptorch > Velociraze

Raptorch: 47/80/41/72/46/69, 355. Type: Rock/Fire Abilities: Limber/Pressure Hidden Ability: Quick Feet
Velociraze: 72/111/61/101/56/94, 495. Type: Rock/Fire Abilities: Limber/Pressure Hidden Ability: Quick Feet
Movepool:
#138 – Velociraze
-Leer
-Scratch
-Ember
16 – Pursuit
19 – Rock Throw
24 – Quick Attack
27 – Bite
32 – Fire Fang
34 – Flamethrower
36 – Hone Claws
38 – Fury Swipes
40 – Crush Claw
42 – Ancient Power
47 – Blaze Kick
51 – Agility
56 – Flare Blitz

Learned by previous evolutions: None
Egg Moves: Flame Burst, Haze, Night Slash, Skull Bash, Double Kick, Rock Blast, Chip Away
TMs/HMs
Velociraze Movesets

#139-#140 - Resicore > Paleoak

Resicore: 45/42/99/51/89/29, 355. Type: Rock/Grass Abilities: Solid Rock/Immunity Hidden Ability: Sturdy
Paleoak: 67/51/144/65/119/49, 495. Type: Rock/Grass Abilities: Solid Rock/Immunity Hidden Ability: Sturdy
Movepool:
#140 – Paleoak
-Harden
-Absorb
-Bide
-Stealth Rock
14 – Endure
20 – Mega Drain
23 – Ingrain
27 – Hidden Power
32 – Growth
37 – Ancient Power
39 – Protect
40 – Amnesia
44 – Giga Drain
49 – Iron Defense
53 – Power Gem
58 – Nature Power
64 – Wood Hammer

Learned by previous evolutions: None
Egg Moves: Energy Ball, Mirror Shot, Magnitude, Ingrain, Sand-Attack, Acid Armor, Leech Seed
TMs/HMs
Paleoak Movesets

#143 Hauntlet

Hauntlet: 60/90/130/40/100/41, 461. Type: Ghost/Steel Abilities: Battle Armor/Clear Body Hidden Ability: Levitate

Movepool:
#143 Hauntlet
-Endure
-Astonish
8 – Bide
13 – Metal Claw
17 – Night Shade
24 – Hex
29 – Metal Sound
32 – Shadow Punch
37 – Iron Defense
42 – Curse
45 – Iron Head
50 – Phantom Force
54 – Wide Guard
59 – Autotomize
63 – Metal Burst

Note: Hauntlet has 7 forms, but can only be in one form at a time. Like Rotom, these forms are visibly distinct, forms are changed by interacting with certain items in the overworld, and each gives access to a form-exclusive attack that is lost once form is changed. Unlike Rotom, Hauntlet's base stats remain the same regardless of the form it is in, including its basic (Plate) form.
Form-Exclusive moves:
Plate (Basic) Form: None
Lance Form: Megahorn
Mallet Form: Wood Hammer
Shield Form: Revenge
Tessen Form: Whirlwind
Glaive Form: Swords Dance
Cloak Form: Sucker Punch
Learned by previous evolutions: None
Egg Moves: None
TMs/HMs
Hauntlet Movesets

More to come.

Awesome! I'm excited!

Megamachamp · Jul 13, 2015, 08:32 PM

berry interesting. are there sprites I can look at. I'm more about the looks than the stats kinda person

Graly · Sep 17, 2015, 08:04 AM

Looking good but there are these "useless" moves missing in the movepools that nobody uses in competitive play and npc's love spaming

sandragon13 · Sep 27, 2015, 03:46 PM

(Sep 17, 2015, 08:04 AM)Graly Wrote: Looking good but there are these "useless" moves missing in the movepools that nobody uses in competitive play and npc's love spaming

I'm not sure I follow. Are you saying that the "useless moves" are not present in the movepools? Or are you saying that they are present? If you could give me an example or otherwise clarify I'd be happy to respond.

In either case, I did describe this project as a top-to-bottom complete Pokedex, which means that many Pokemon will, of course, learn weaker/non-competitively viable moves throughout their level-up learnpool, just like the real game. In the pursuit of completedness I haven't listed just the "good moves" for each line; rather, their entire learnpool is present.

-sandragon13

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