Jul 27, 2015, 05:24 AM
(Jul 26, 2015, 07:35 PM)Sethdraxus Wrote: Sorry I was away, had to sleep for awhile. Anyway, back to team stuff.
(Jul 26, 2015, 11:59 AM)Pokeventurer Wrote: just a few notes off some of your team members:
Mawile:
i recently made an EV spread regarding mawile, however the standard one is 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 S.Def with adamant/ brave nature many people have tried to modify this. i just made a mawile spread on a recent RMT after which it outspeeds a 252 spe jolly salamence behind a tailwind. this is the spread, in case you wish to run a faster mawile:
Mawile @ Mawilite
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
EVs: 80 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def / 40 SpD / 132 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Protect
- Iron Head
- Play Rough
- Sucker Punch
Goodra:
Goodra is a great pokemon with a wide movepool that people can take advantage of. you may wanna recheck on overheat as it's accuracy is a bit shaky and also goodra loses any potential left from the offensive side (god forbid if trapped or in 2 on 2 doubles situation. i personally would be running flamethrower. as you are on a 50/50 b/w dragon tail and ice beam, i like the recently popular going dragon tail choice but it isn't much off an option with popular mega gardevoir. ice beam can be a surprise and takes off the usual 4x ice weaknesses off the field
Vaporeon:
Vaporeon in my opinion is a great choice as i like to prefer more obscure pokemons. though i think that it's set isn't modified well enough. i would be running some move known as "icy wind" as a form of speed control over wish, it works great with mid-tier like goodra and heatran specially. heal bell is an awesome thing as it is an unexpected move and can work whenever you like, as for ice beam goodra packs that up. *btw a nice way of countering rain*
Heatran:
nothing much, i completely like this mon, as for flash cannon/ HP ice. your team carries coverage for both, flash cannon won't hit anything hard other than t-tar for stab but earth power does it too (mawile packs iron head OHKO'ing any faries wihout a question), HP ice can be good, have you considered other moves in it's movepool? like: support moves W-o-W, taunts too
Virizion and lando can't be questioned though they are great.
some overall suggestion:
. i consider running tailwind to you, as you are running one slow and 3 mid-tier speed mons, lando-t without a scarf can't outspeed the base 100's.
. you need a better way of countering off the threat of trick room modes, maybe your on but that would change the whole team.
And *Important*: you are making a waste of EV's on pokemons like goodra with 16 speed EV's and vaporeon with 8 sp.atk EV's i need you to look into that stuff online.
Although i think that playstyle is an important part that often clashes b/w RMT members, hoped as always these suggestions or at least some of them worked out for you. Bye!
Mawile:
Starting off, this is a neat Mawile set. But what could I bring in for the tailwind to outspeed Mega Mance, and more importantly what would need to be cut to make room?
Goodra:
As for goodra my switch to ice beam and flamethrower is pretty much confirmed.
Vaporeon:
Thanks, glad you like the idea. :D Anyway I had forgotten about icy wind, definitely need to consider it.
Heatran:
Well, I had considered substitute but that seems a bit difficult to pull off properly. Other than that I was a pretty big fan of torment tran.
Overall Suggestions:
Well, again getting tailwind in would require some reconfiguring of the mon choices. Suggestions on that would be appreciated for consideration.
No idea what to do about trick room beyond treating it similarly to how I would a tradition team that outspeeds me.
On the topic of EVs. Goodra's 16 speed EVS will let it outspeed adamant azumarill, which would otherwise cause it to have a very bad day. Vaporeon's extra SpA EVs are a result of hitting what is supposedly optimal HP EVs and having a little extra for a bit more punch.
(Jul 26, 2015, 12:24 PM)Rogue Wrote: Mawile @ Mawilite
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 204 Atk / 52 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Iron Head
- Play Rough
- Sucker Punch
- Protect
This is a Mawile from top 8 in the European regional's used by Ninjasyao. If you're not using trick room, this is my favorite Mawile set. A lot of people will try to run low attack and more bulky mawiles, but I think high attack works best in this format. Just my opinion though. The speed investment makes it easy for you to go first against opposing mawiles, azumarills, and more. Making it easy to get unexpected KO's/not have to worry about dumb speed ties/small speed creeps from slower mons.
Goodra @ Assault Vest
Ability: Sap Sipper
Level: 50
EVs: 96 HP / 164 Def / 188 SpA / 60 Spe
Modest Nature
- Ice Beam
- Fire Blast
- Draco Meteor
- Sludge Bomb
Unless I'm really stupid; I might be that is; I'm not sure how you got overheat on your goodra? I can't find that it learns it anywhere. Anywho, here is a basic spread for damage and bulk. You don't have to use it honestly. Yours basically does the same thing really.
Vaporeon @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Water Absorb
Level: 50
EVs: 140 HP / 116 Def / 250 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
- Muddy Water
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Ice Beam
- Protect
A very old Vaporeon set, but the best in my opinion. I get what you want to do with wish/heal bell; but sadly i don't see it coming through in vgc. Especially with thundurus being so rampant; its kinda hard to use heal bell to get away from the most common status effect (t-wave) when the same thing thats dropping t-waves can hit you supper effectively (thundurus) I like offensive bulky vaporeon. Muddy water is disgusting but funny, hp grass for obvious reasons, and ice beam is one of the best moves in the game imo because of landy, thundy, salamence, etc.
Heatran @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Flash Fire
Level: 50
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Flamethrower
- Earth Power
- Flash Cannon
- Protect
I'm a big believer of 2 things: 1. Fast heatran is best heatran. 2. Flamethrower/Heatwave 80% of the time. Heatwave is weaker, and can miss. Sure you can hit 2 pokemon at once, but most good teams pack wide guard. Making heatran's stab fire move kinda useless. Not to mention things like Aegislash which are so common pack wide guard. Sure, you can predict the wide guard and earth power it. But it won't do as much as flame thrower + weakness policy would be triggered and it'd be easy for your opponent to double down on heatran. It also doesn't help that you have choice band landorus, meaning 2 of it's moves are ALSO blocked by wide guard. Plus if you take my vaporeon advice, muddy water is also blocked by wide guard. TLDR; Your team could be trumped by an unexpected wide guard user.
Safety goggles is for a reason: To beat amoongus. You don't really have anything on your team that beats amoongus. Goodra is a very good hard counter to it, but goodra is also pretty easy to take out within the current meta. Sylveon, M-Salamence, M-Gardevoir, etc. Also there's the idea of what if you can't bring goodra due to team match up. An Amoognus could spore/pop off sludge bombs on your virizion and have fun. Especially under TR. Maybe I just hate Amoongus, but there's been times where I'd get wide guarded on my heat wave and my heatran gets spored by amoongus. I dunno, I love fast flame thrower safety goggles tran. I rarely wish I had heatwave, flamethrower racks up a big amount of KO's/hits 2HKO's that heat wave can't.
Virizion @ Life Orb
Ability: Justified
Level: 50
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Leaf Blade
- Close Combat
- Taunt
- Protect
Woop woop, Virizion is dope.
Landorus-Therian @ Choice Band
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
EVs: 164 HP / 60 Atk / 4 Def / 28 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- U-turn
- Rock Slide
- Superpower
- Earthquake
My only use of Bandorus is under a trick room team, and I loved it. I used a brave nature with no speed ev's and I just got to toss it all into bulk and it was so much fun living hydro pumps/ice beams sometimes. This spread was used by Majorbowman in the Missouri regionals. Here's what they said:
"The EV spread is adapted from a bulky Choice Scarf set that Braverius had previously posted on his blog. Andykins actually made the adjusted Band spread and gave it to me after using it himself to some good success. The HP and Special Defense ensure that Landorus survives Hidden Power Ice from neutral nature Zapdos and Thundurus, while the HP alone allows Landorus to survive +1 Sucker Punch from Life Orb Bisharp. Max Speed was used to outrun neutral nature base 101’s and below, including Kangaskhan, Charizard, and Thundurus-Therian. The remaining EVs were dumped into attack, but still allow Landorus to OHKO Kangaskhan, Terrakion, and Heatran with one (or both) of Earthquake or Superpower. 252 HP / 4 Defense Mega Mawile has a 75% chance to be OHKOd by Earthquake even with the spread damage reduction. The combination of bulk, speed, and power that Jolly Choice Band Landorus-Therian brought to the team was invaluable."
weeeee hope I helped.
And another cool Mawile set. I feel like this one most represents what I am going for without having to redo team comp to include tailwind, thanks! Definitely a keeper in my book.
As for goodra, first of all you've pointed out a prime example of why I should never be allowed to work on teams while sleep deprived. Goodra cannot learn overheat and I mixed that up with heatran. Silly me. I like the set, although it looks like it has some key differences. I am a little concerned about the lowered HP, although it does have more defensive EVs to help with physical attackers but is that worth it over more HP? Secondly what do the extra speed EVs let it do, just curious.
Not a huge fan of sacrificing any bulk on vaporeon, besides that I'll favor scald over muddy water for better accuracy and as a possible source of burn the team otherwise lacks.
You had a lot so say about heatran so lets get started lol So flamethrower > heatwave. I find myself agreeing with you on this. So clearly I should take flamethrower or go big or go home and pack overheat here kappa Faster heatran seems good but this set loses HP while losing the shuca berry, little concerned it'll just get knocked out if an EQ so much as glances at it. Safety goggles is a neat choice here since you're definately right about amoongus which could indeed run rampant if goodra is unavailable. I'll take this under careful consideration when I start putting together the teams improved incarnation.
Lastly I feel myself falling in love with Majorbowman's Lando-T set.
And yes, you've most certainly helped! Danke schoen.
As goodra is your favorite and you want to keep it, i don't wanna say but i should that it should be replaced as your team pretty much takes coverage of everything it counters checks, E.g dragons.
waste of EV's is a common mistake while investing EV's in non-specific numbers like 8 and 16., readthe following they may help:
.The value of 1 stat point at the beginning of first investment in any stat of a pokemon would be equal 4 ev’s , e.g a gothitelle has been given 4 ev’s in its speed stat would e.g elevate its stat total of 62 speed to 63 speed; hence the value of 1 stat point would be = 4 ev’s.
.However the value of a second stat point being added to a pokemon same stat would demand the value of 1 stat point equalizing 8 EV’S ; hence all the other stat points being added to a pokemon through EV’s, except the first one would be added by investing 8 more ev’s.
.Waste of EV’s is a common mistake beginners make, who don’t understand the correct value of ev’s to that of stat points, it should be made clear during the ev investment that ev investments such as a pokemon with speed investment of 8 ev’s won’t give the second stat point, you always have to lair on top of the ev’s being added.
.EV’s should be invested in this simple manner 4 (+1)> +8 (+1)> +8 (+1)> and so on till 252 , and not like this 4 (+1)> +4 (+0) and stop at this point would cause an error and results in waste of EV’s.
