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Pokemon VGC 2017 Tier List (Always Current) (/Thread-VGC-Pokemon-VGC-2017-Tier-List-Always-Current)RE: Pokemon VGC 2017 Tier List (Always Current) - Siqueirapowered - Dec 28, 2016
Where does Pelipper fit in this tierlist? I personally think it's in B
RE: Pokemon VGC 2017 Tier List (Always Current) - Gajamigani - Jan 1, 2017
Marowak should be in A+ or S.
Every single one in Europian WCG top8 used celesteela and marowak.
RE: Pokemon VGC 2017 Tier List (Always Current) - Black117 - Jan 30, 2017
Alright the VGC viability ranks and tiers have been updated to reflect the current metagame with the rise of AFK (Arcanine, Fini, Kartana) and various strong archetypes from the laddering (Showdown/Battle Spot), and Tournaments. Also removed some Pokemon on this list since most "weren't" used at a high enough level both from a usage and viable standpoint to justify them staying. Will admit this list is based on the usage ranks of the Battle Spot, moreso given how certain Pokemon such as Snorlax, Fini, Kartana, etc usage from high ladder players became "standard".
RE: Pokemon VGC 2017 Tier List (Always Current) - PhazontheGreat - Jan 30, 2017
How did Wishiwashi drop all the way from B- to C? Is it the AFK that killed off its viability?
RE: Pokemon VGC 2017 Tier List (Always Current) - TheGamingPerson12 - Jan 30, 2017
Wouldn't trick room be high tier? Also, gastrodon is a super niche option and deserves to be
Just my opinion.
RE: Pokemon VGC 2017 Tier List (Always Current) - Rockycombo - Jan 31, 2017
@PhazontheGreat Wishiwashi, while cool in concept, has had problems from the start. Its HP is abyssmal, it's terribly slow, and its movepool is pretty lackluster, and it becomes nearly completely useless once its Schooling wears off at 25% health. Overall, it just requires too much coddling and team support for something that Tapu Fini, Gyarados, Golduck, etc. can all do more reliably.
@TheGamingPerson12 The most prominent trick room setter, Porygon2, is in the A+ tier. Mimikyu and Oranguru are both fairly high as well. Gastrodon certainly has strengths (it's in B+, which is by no means a bad tier), but doesn't pack much of a punch and is weak to common mons like Kartana and Tapu Bulu. Not that it's bad at all, but it's not in the highest tier.
RE: Pokemon VGC 2017 Tier List (Always Current) - TheGamingPerson12 - Jan 31, 2017
@Rockycombo Thanks for the insight. Also, I have never seen a TR Nihilego. Are they rare, or do I just never see them?
RE: Pokemon VGC 2017 Tier List (Always Current) - Rockycombo - Jan 31, 2017
Whoops, I meant Oranguru, not Nihilego. Got mixed up I guess. Nihilego does get it, but it is pretty rare for it to run it.
RE: Pokemon VGC 2017 Tier List (Always Current) - macman427 - Feb 1, 2017
Why is lapras in both C tier and C+ tier? Its named is only under C+ tier too.
RE: Pokemon VGC 2017 Tier List (Always Current) - Black117 - Feb 2, 2017
alright I've fixed the lapras error
If anything, @Rockycombo best describes why Wishiwashi is at a lower tier than it should have been, mostly because of its reliance to stay in its School form to be viable. Wishiwashi already has to fight for that "water" type slot against the ever popular Tapu Fini, Araquanid, Gyarados, Double Ducks (Pelipper + Golduck), Gastrodon, etc. Yes it does have rather high stats in both offensive and defensive stats to make up, however speed and notably HP hold it back significantly. What's worse IMO is that Wishiwashi needs a ton of support to function well, even to its item choice to make use of its time in School form.