(Mar 25, 2016, 07:53 AM)TheLastStaravia Wrote: Goodness, for a recent competitive player, you sure do know your stuff.

(Mar 26, 2016, 07:34 AM)GMX Wrote: #I'd try Moonblast over HP Ground on Xerneas because it allows you to OHKO (at +2 SpA after Geomancy) certain threats such as M-Kang, Dialga and you will also 2HKO an opposing boosted Xerneas, and it will hit harder P-Kyogre, Cresselia and other bulky mons.

+2 252 SpA Fairy Aura Xerneas Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Primal Groudon: 118-140 (57 - 67.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

+2 252 SpA Xerneas Hidden Power Ground vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Primal Groudon: 150-178 (72.4 - 85.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

You will be able to KO a Primal Groudon with Dazzling Gleam + Moonblast anyway, so HP Ground is almost useless. Run a Timid 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe spread.

#If you run a Modest Kyogre you can afford to invest in bulk instead of going max SpA, given its incredible SpA Base Stat.

Kyogre-Primal @ Blue Orb
Ability: Primordial Sea
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 164 Def / 76 SpA / 4 SpD / 12 Spe
Modest Nature
- Water Spout
- Scald
- Ice Beam
- Protect

This spread allows you to take a LO Dragon Ascent from M-Ray, or a -1 Double-Edge from M-Kang is almost a 3HKO or even a 252+ Atk Power Whip from Ferrothorn. You'll still be able to hit anything really hard because of its Modest + 76 SpA EVs spread. I noticed you already have Ferrothorn to deal with an opposing P-Kyogre, so i decided to add Scald instead of Thunder because it gives you another Water STAB to use when you are under half HP.

#Your Ferrothorn build is a bit unconventional. First of all, Gyro Ball will become more powerful if you run a Brave nature and 0 Speed IVs. You also need some more Atk investment to actually OHKO a +2 Xerneas or a standard P-Kyogre.

Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 148 Atk / 108 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Gyro Ball
- Power Whip
- Leech Seed
- Protect

148+ Atk Ferrothorn Power Whip vs. 12 HP / 4 Def Primal Kyogre: 180-212 (101.6 - 119.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

148+ Atk Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (150 BP) vs. 12 HP / 4 Def Xerneas: 216-254 (106.4 - 125.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Leech Seed + Leftovers is a solid win condition if you eliminate targets such as M-Mence or P-Groudon because there's not much else that can deal with a Ferrothorn once it setups 1 or 2 Leech Seed.


# I like Landorus-T's Intimidate to support P-Kyogre, i'd just suggest to run a Jolly nature because it allows you to outspeed both Primals by 1 point. Knock Off is not as strong as last year, so i would run a standard Rock Slide.



For the last two slots... mmm i think you need better options because both Clefable and M-Mawile make you really weak to P-Groudon and opposing Steel types. Another problem you have with this team is that you lack a form of speed control, a Taunt user to prevent opposing Trick Room or Tailwind from going up and in general and your average speed is just decent. I have something in mind to try to fix these problems, if you are willing to make these changes.

Gengar @ Focus Sash
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Sludge Bomb
- Icy Wind
- Taunt
- Skill Swap

Gengar is fast, it adds a form of speed control (Icy Wind) and Taunt to your team. You also have something else to lead against a Smeargle + Xerneas lead (because you can threaten both of them with Taunt and Sludge Bomb).

Skill Swap is a trick you can use against opposing M-Kang to steal their Parental Bond (while avoiding Sucker Punch), but more importantly it lets you switch ability with your P-Kyogre to change weather in your favour against an opposing P-Groudon. You also have a Levitate user so that Landorus-T can safely go for an Earthquake (to be honest, you can also run a Choice Band on Landorus-T with Explosion since Gengar is a Ghost type and it's not affected by it)

Salamence @ Salamencite
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Hyper Voice
- Double-Edge
- Flamethrower
- Protect

Another Intimidate support which is beneficial for both Kyogre and Xerneas. Mega-Salamence can "safely" switch into P-Groudon to threaten it with a strong Hyper Voice but it can also hit opposing Kyogre or Xerneas with a powerful Double-Edge. Flamethrower is my third move of choice because honestly Ferrothorn is a pain to deal with the rest of your team, so you have a move to directly OHKO it (you will be able to hit M-Mawile too)


I hope it helped!

(Mar 26, 2016, 10:44 AM)Marcusube Wrote: I would suggest changing the following

Switch P-Kyogre and Clefable for P-Groudon and Togekiss. Currently, your team gets destroyed by Ferrothorn alongside other Steel types such as Dialga and Mawile. You need the Fire coverage more than the water coverage.

Groudon-Primal @ Red Orb
Ability: Desolate Land
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Precipice Blades
- Fire Punch
- Protect
- Earth Power

I don't currently have a Togekiss set on hand, however, it'd run Tailwind, Follow Me, Helping Hand and Air Slash /w Sitrus Berry and ability Serene Grace

Ferrothorn @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 124 Atk / 68 Def / 60 SpD / 4 Spe
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Gyro Ball
- Power Whip
- Protect
- Leech Seed

Thunder Wave actually drops the damage that Gyro Ball does so I wouldn't recommend using it. Leech Seed is good for chip damage as well as giving Ferrothorn a means of recovery. I like Rocky Helmet here but you can run Leftovers, Shed Skin, Lum Berry or even Chople Berry (specifically for Low Kick Kangaskhan)

Landorus-Therian @ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
EVs: 180 Atk / 76 SpA / 252 Spe
Rash Nature
- Earth Power
- Rock Slide
- Protect
- Superpower

Special Landorus works better here most because you have no Pokemon immune to Ground meaning you would be forced to Earthquake your team mates. Rock Slide is for hitting Ho-oh and Talonflame who give the other members of this team a ridiculously hard time and Superpower is the strongest move Landorus has to hit Ferrothorn outside of Focus Blast. U-Turn is an option here as well for pivoting.

Mawile-Mega @ Mawilite
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Play Rough
- Iron Head / Taunt
- Protect
- Sucker Punch

It's the generic Mawile set. Now to be honest, in a majority of games I've played with this thing, it doesn't do much outside of picking off Pokemon with Sucker Punch in games. Rock Slide and Stone Edge, however, made it virtually impossible for it to take on Xerneas, Kangaskhan and Kyogre as Stone Edge's accuracy is garbage and Rock Slide doesn't do much on its own. Taunt is an option on this set for dealing with Ferrothorn as well as unsuspecting support Pokemon