Greninja banned to Ubers in Smogon

[DanielJames]

(Jan 12, 2015, 11:14 AM)Rogue Wrote: I think some of you are missing the point. It wasn't banned to Ubers simply because "we couldn't find anything to beat it." We know that Guts Conkeldurr can almost OHKO with a mach punch before it changes typing. We know that Talonflame can OHKO it. Once again, thats not the problem.

Lets say I lead with Greninja and you lead with Conkeldurr. I know you're going to try and mach punch me, so I safely switch out into my tornadus. I take little damage, I out speed with this as well, and I'm now going to OHKO your Conkeldurr who threatened my Greninja.

Or different story. You lead with Talonflame and I lead with Greninja. I know you'll OHKO, so I switch out into Heatran. You literally can't touch my Heatran so lets say you switch out. I predict your switch and lay down stealth rocks. Now your Talonflame is almost useless thanks to the rocks. Even if you stay in and put up something like a swords dance, I'm running ancient power to OHKO your Talonflame.

Does that make more sense? It's not just the pokemon. It's how easy I can build around it. The small checks and counters you could list, all could easily be reverse countered by my other 5 Pokemon. There's no point in you having a counter for something, if I can counter your counter with ease. Because once I take out that 1-2 checks on your team, my Greninja is free to run wild.

(Jan 12, 2015, 11:45 AM)tygaa2 Wrote: @Rogue so your saying Greninja shoud not be allowed because if someone leads with it and you don't predict correctly you will be in a bad postion? Predicting that is part of the game and if that is what smogon wants to take away then that makes the "watering down" comment I made earlier is hard to argue against

I've also stated multiple time that I don't have anything against or "hate" smogon. Just don't agree with it

I was going to say pretty much what tygaa2 said here in regards to your comment I quoted here. Those are poor examples, Rouge. What your describing is good team building and prediction. It's a part of the game.

Let's say you lead off with Greninja and I lead off with Talonflame. I know you'll most likely switch out to Heatran since my Talonflame can't do anything to it so I switch out to my Swampert. I can now KO your Heatran with Earthquake unless you switch him out for another Pokémon and so on.

See, it works with anything.