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[VGC] Pokemon Nationals; What Do You Expect To See?
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Not sure how Cress is an accurate counter. Knock off/U-turn do about half to cress, thunderbolt doing about 25% if its not heavily invested in spa. Not to mention Cress could always be t-waved and para'd.
Scrafty isn't a counter at all because of super power Landorus. Conk isn't a counter because of HP Flying Thundurus. I thought of using Swampert but intimidate from Lando make sure you live things like ice punch and 2hko with EQ.

There's a reason why they're the best duo, they'll always be putting in more damage. Like I said, sure you can always come up with a scenario like saying "Oh I'll just lead Conkeldurr & Cresselia, Cress will Ice beam Lando and Conk will ice punch thundurus (which wont kill either btw, because of intimidate and the sheer bulk of these mons) but then they protect lando and switch into Talonflame and you're back at a huge disadvantage.

Like I said, you don't really lose anything from leading with these 2.
My favorite leads to beat them are Bisharp Conk. Conk can live unless doubled up on/crit'd. and Bisharp can sucker Lando. But one time my bisharp got t-waved and para'd turn one and then Lando got to EQ and Thundurus lived an ice punch, letting me lose bisharp turn 1 and conk turn 2.

They aren't legitimately impossible beat. I'm just saying their the best duo and you don't lose much from leading them. They 9/10 can one up you together and if they can't, if your team is right you can pivot out. Just start with those 2, and build the last 4 around those mons. Bam. a team for nationals. I'm not just talking out of my butt either. It's always been like this, and I wish it wasn't the case. It is what it is. Adapt the best you can and outplay your opponent.

Edit: Who wants to call a team they'll see in the natonals? Calling it
M-Kang, Landorus, Thundurus, Bisharp, Sylveon, Heatran
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RE: Pokemon Nationals; What Do You Expect To See? - by Rogue - Jun 22, 2015, 03:54 PM

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