Greninja banned to Ubers in Smogon

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(Jan 12, 2015, 11:45 AM)tygaa2 Wrote: @Rogue so your saying Greninja shoud not be allowed because if someone leads with it and you don't predict correctly you will be in a bad postion? Predicting that is part of the game and if that is what smogon wants to take away then that makes the "watering down" comment I made earlier is hard to argue against

tygaa its because in singles alot of the game revolves around switching to gain/keep momentum while in doubles we have protect and another pokemon can still apply offensive pressure letting you build, maintain or reverse the momentum that way. The thing is when you switch greninja will obviously attack damaging your switch in worst yet if greninja can't outspeed and ko from their they will just switch into a wall and wittle your team down this way. Before he got his ORAS coverage moves you had safe switching in the form of azumarill and a couple of others such as chansey and blissey. Unfortunately after ORAS azumarril and blissy are now useless counters vs gunk shot variants. If you swap in chansey you completely lose offensive pressure meaning free switch for the foe. While often i dislike smogon bans i can't really argue greninja breaks the game too much there to allow for all pokemon of that tier to be viable in that tier which is a key philosophy of smogon to enable all pokemon to be played competitively with an even chance of winning.

Smogon don't really water down they just sub divide in an attempt to make as many pokemon as possible viable in the singles game.


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(Jan 12, 2015, 12:05 PM)Eckley Wrote: Well that's changed my mind real quick haha

I've never played ubers, so my opinion was from an outside view. I thought with his low bas stats-  Compared to the legends - that he'd have a tough time, but from what you just said, he should be able to do fine. I know base stats aren't the only thing that make a pokemon good/bad, but like I said, I just thought compared to the pokemon in ubers he'd struggle a bit

eckley i had a friend who used a physical sweeper foretress in ubers .... trust me if that somehow worked i think greninja will manage just fine XD