Pokemon VGC 2015 Metagame Megathread

[GiMYz]

252+ SpA Mega Charizard Y Hidden Power Ground vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Heatran: 168-200 (100.5 - 119.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Not the best but not the worst. It works in pledge teams with M-Chary + Venusaur lead combo to avoid to be walled by Heatran. I've seen Ancient Power too. It depends on which additional pokemon you need to check (Heatran, mirror CharY match, and so on).

(May 2, 2015, 12:28 AM)Rogue Wrote: 4. Talonflame (Kinda surprised? Idk i thought thundurus/lando/heatran would just threaten it out)

Talonflame is relatively the easiest pokemon to use in the metagame. I don't understand the Top4 usage too but i assume it is more popular in lower rated ladders than in 1700+, where priority Tailwind and Brave Bird consistent damage might find place in a lot of teams.

[Podfighterninja123]

Alot of people are considering something to destroy sylveon ResidentSleeper time to bust out the good ol' choiced chomps

[Attakinsky]

(Feb 11, 2015, 07:25 PM)naitre Wrote:

(Feb 11, 2015, 07:24 PM)Rogue Wrote:

(Feb 11, 2015, 07:08 PM)AndrewAllen Wrote:

(Feb 11, 2015, 03:53 PM)naitre Wrote:

(Feb 11, 2015, 12:50 PM)AndrewAllen Wrote: If u want to even get a hit on after a t-tar's rock slide I suggest u get a focus sash and put all your ev's into the Hp and defense I should know I run a t-tar with rock slide or used to in XY VGC2014 go about of it

252+ Atk Tyranitar Rock Slide vs. 192 HP / 0 Def Thundurus: 144-170 (80.8 - 95.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after sandstorm damage using the Thundurus set Rogue posted above.

depends on if they put all 510 evs into hp do the math on that

You can't put more than 252 Evs into one stat....

Even if I did break the game and put 510 EVs into HP, it wouldn't matter...T-tar still wouldn't OHKO with Rock Slide.

Why 14 HP?

[Rogue]

So, how is everyone feeling about the meta? Any questions? Curious about any mons? Have any "sleepers"? (Pokemon that deserve to be in the meta, but are underused) Let's talk and work together, everyone here is apart of this. [:

[ChaseInfinity]

I know this is a wierd one (but hey we've already established i'm a wierd battler ), but i've been battling with Mega Steelix and he seems like a hidden gem, not only can he 0KHO most fairy types, he can deal with many other very common pokemon

• 60+ Atk Mega Steelix Heavy Slam (120 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Gardevoir: 270-318 (187.5 - 220.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
  
• 60+ Atk Mega Steelix Heavy Slam (120 BP) vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Sylveon: 270-318 (134.3 - 158.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
  
• 60+ Atk Mega Steelix Heavy Slam (120 BP) vs. 196 HP / 20 Def Azumarill: 111-132 (55.5 - 66%) -- 23% chance to 2HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery
  
• 60+ Atk Mega Steelix Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Mawile: 98-116 (62.4 - 73.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
  
• 60+ Atk Mega Steelix Rock Slide vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Charizard Y: 144-172 (94.1 - 112.4%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
  
• 60+ Atk Mega Steelix Rock Slide vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Talonflame: 156-184 (101.2 - 119.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
  
• 60+ Atk Mega Steelix Heavy Slam (120 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Kangaskhan: 94-112 (51.9 - 61.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
  
• 60+ Atk Mega Steelix Heavy Slam (120 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Landorus: 103-123 (62.4 - 74.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
  
• 60+ Atk Mega Steelix Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Bisharp: 116-140 (82.2 - 99.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
  
• 60+ Atk Mega Steelix Heavy Slam (120 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Gengar: 142-168 (105.1 - 124.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
  
• 60+ Atk Mega Steelix Heavy Slam (120 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Salamence: 76-91 (44.4 - 53.2%) -- 30.1% chance to 2HKO
  

and those weren't even under sandstorm
plus that was only 60 attack

[Rogue]

(May 23, 2015, 07:06 PM)Animekid7 Wrote: I know this is a wierd one (but hey we've already established i'm a wierd battler ), but i've been battling with Mega Steelix and he seems like a hidden gem, not only can he 0KHO most fairy types, he can deal with many other very common pokemon

• 60+ Atk Mega Steelix Heavy Slam (120 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Gardevoir: 270-318 (187.5 - 220.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
  
• 60+ Atk Mega Steelix Heavy Slam (120 BP) vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Sylveon: 270-318 (134.3 - 158.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
  
• 60+ Atk Mega Steelix Heavy Slam (120 BP) vs. 196 HP / 20 Def Azumarill: 111-132 (55.5 - 66%) -- 23% chance to 2HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery
  
• 60+ Atk Mega Steelix Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Mawile: 98-116 (62.4 - 73.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
  
• 60+ Atk Mega Steelix Rock Slide vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Charizard Y: 144-172 (94.1 - 112.4%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
  
• 60+ Atk Mega Steelix Rock Slide vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Talonflame: 156-184 (101.2 - 119.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
  
• 60+ Atk Mega Steelix Heavy Slam (120 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Kangaskhan: 94-112 (51.9 - 61.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
  
• 60+ Atk Mega Steelix Heavy Slam (120 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Landorus: 103-123 (62.4 - 74.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
  
• 60+ Atk Mega Steelix Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Bisharp: 116-140 (82.2 - 99.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
  
• 60+ Atk Mega Steelix Heavy Slam (120 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Gengar: 142-168 (105.1 - 124.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
  
• 60+ Atk Mega Steelix Heavy Slam (120 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Salamence: 76-91 (44.4 - 53.2%) -- 30.1% chance to 2HKO
  

and those weren't even under sandstorm
plus that was only 60 attack

That's impressive! M-Steelix always gave me a "meh" vibe because I've only used it in singles, but now that I look at calcs/doubles play style it could be quite the problem to deal with. Not to mention he gets the elemental fangs. [:

[ChaseInfinity]

So what common pokemon have we not done a set for i wanna try my hand at one, ive already did mega manetric be he doesnt seem never common on this meta :P

[Black117]

I guess Excadrill and Tyranitar haven't been covered as thoroughly considering Sand has been popularized in the Battle Spot ladder. Just off the bat we should probably make write-ups for Amoonguss,  "revamp" Mega Mawile (I'm gonna cover for this week), Mega Venusaur, Talonflame, Politoed, Kingdra, Ludicolo, Ferrothorn (I'd probably should have just said Rain), Blaziken (both forms), Aegislash, regular Scizor, Mega Gengar, Infernape, Rotom-W (Revamp, Gyarados (both forms), and plenty others.

One very last but important update. Around ten days ago, a Nugget Bridge user named LatiosRider was able to do a statistical analysis of all the Pokemon used on Battle Spot Doubles for Season 9 (March 12 - May 11). This Data Mine is similar to how Antar provides usage stats from Pokemon Showdown for Smogon yet slightly more comprehensive. In this thread, LatiosRider posted the usage stats of each Pokemon, Mega Usage, Direct KOs, top 20 moves on each Pokemon, etc. Here's the thread.

http://nuggetbridge.com/forums/topic/161...-rankings/

[Rogue]

(May 25, 2015, 06:43 PM)naitre Wrote: Out of the top 30 used Pokemon in Battle Spot Doubles, we don't have:

• Talonflame
  
• Aegislash
  
• Amoonguss
  
• Gengar
  
• Rotom-W
  
• Politoed
  
• Breloom
  
• Ludicolo
  

Have, but outdated for the meta:

• Garchomp
  
• Hydreigon
  
• Milotic
  

We can extend this list to the top 50-100 as well, Justin just mentioned the top 30 as our biggest needs.

I would like Black and Animekid to take some of these for us. I trust you two immensely. 1-2 would be ideal, just to get these down faster. I'll let you 2 get first dibs. I would prefer to get Breloom, because I've recently grown attached to him.

[Black117]

I'll probably work on the "rain" Pokemon such as Politoed, Ludicolo, and Kingdra for sure since I got a ton of experience using rain during the past few months on Battle Spot. We haven't discuss Mawile to often here so I'll work on it as well. Probably gonna have two of these down by the end of the week for sure.