Pokemon VGC 2015 Metagame Megathread

[evilsabre]

or just swap out conk for something like bisharp since he'll also scare off landurous more since defiant boosts are scary as heck in the pick phase also ik bisharp atleast has a chance to 1hhko cress with knock off if you crit....

[RobinPMC]

(Jan 14, 2015, 02:44 PM)naitre Wrote:

(Jan 14, 2015, 02:43 PM)RobinPMC Wrote:

(Jan 14, 2015, 02:38 PM)evilsabre Wrote: whats that terrakion x scizor on the cress like out of interest?

Thats not powerfull enough either cress is just so annoying

Cresselia is arguably the best wall in VGC. Virtually nothing is going to OHKO her 100% of the time, and very few things will 2KO her. She's fantastic taunt bait, so one of the best things you can do is render her as useless as possible and have a team built to withstand her.

True but im not gonna build my team to counter cress cause i want to be able to counter almost everything i know there will be alot of cress but ill deal with them then :D

[tygaa2]

Like evillsabre said bishap handles it well. T-tar also matches up well vs it

Ice beam does less damage in the sand b/c of the spd boost it gets in sand

[evilsabre]

(Jan 14, 2015, 02:44 PM)naitre Wrote:

(Jan 14, 2015, 02:43 PM)RobinPMC Wrote:

(Jan 14, 2015, 02:38 PM)evilsabre Wrote: whats that terrakion x scizor on the cress like out of interest?

Thats not powerfull enough either cress is just so annoying

Cresselia is arguably the best wall in VGC. Virtually nothing is going to OHKO her 100% of the time, and very few things will 2KO her. She's fantastic taunt bait, so one of the best things you can do is render her as useless as possible and have a team built to withstand her.

my favorite ways to kill her are scizor and bisharp but even they need dam crits to 1 shot and i don't think there's much stronger than the effective 135 power (after technician and stab) scizors bug bite 270 power if you count the SE power XD

plus both of them eliminate the sitrus if shes holding it

[RobinPMC]

(Jan 14, 2015, 02:44 PM)evilsabre Wrote: or just swap out conk for something like bisharp since he'll also scare off landurous more since defiant boosts are scary as heck in the pick phase also ik bisharp atleast has a chance to 1hhko cress with knock off if you crit....

I guess ill consider that bisharp is better from what i have seen but i dont know cause i needed conkeldurr to be my special wall

[evilsabre]

(Jan 14, 2015, 02:50 PM)naitre Wrote:

(Jan 14, 2015, 02:48 PM)evilsabre Wrote:

(Jan 14, 2015, 02:44 PM)naitre Wrote:

(Jan 14, 2015, 02:43 PM)RobinPMC Wrote:

(Jan 14, 2015, 02:38 PM)evilsabre Wrote: whats that terrakion x scizor on the cress like out of interest?

Thats not powerfull enough either cress is just so annoying

Cresselia is arguably the best wall in VGC. Virtually nothing is going to OHKO her 100% of the time, and very few things will 2KO her. She's fantastic taunt bait, so one of the best things you can do is render her as useless as possible and have a team built to withstand her.

my favorite ways to kill her are scizor and bisharp but even they need dam crits to 1 shot and i don't think there's much stronger than the effective 135 power (after technician and stab) scizors bug bite 270 power if you count the SE power XD

Scizor is what I ran in '13, but I've seen HP fire on quite a few Cresselias and I feel that Scizor has dropped a bit in functionality this year.

i don't think scizors dropped in functionality at all tbh but i didn't play VGC prior to 15. bullet punch is one of the few ways to ensure you kill sylveon since bisharp iron head can be ev'd to survive.

Edit: dam it sylveon could possibly ev to even live this.... 252+ Atk Life Orb Technician Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Sylveon: 289-343 (73.3 - 87%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[Hojunhu]

(Jan 14, 2015, 02:55 PM)evilsabre Wrote:

(Jan 14, 2015, 02:50 PM)naitre Wrote:

(Jan 14, 2015, 02:48 PM)evilsabre Wrote:

(Jan 14, 2015, 02:44 PM)naitre Wrote:

(Jan 14, 2015, 02:43 PM)RobinPMC Wrote: Thats not powerfull enough either cress is just so annoying

Cresselia is arguably the best wall in VGC. Virtually nothing is going to OHKO her 100% of the time, and very few things will 2KO her. She's fantastic taunt bait, so one of the best things you can do is render her as useless as possible and have a team built to withstand her.

my favorite ways to kill her are scizor and bisharp but even they need dam crits to 1 shot and i don't think there's much stronger than the effective 135 power (after technician and stab) scizors bug bite 270 power if you count the SE power XD

Scizor is what I ran in '13, but I've seen HP fire on quite a few Cresselias and I feel that Scizor has dropped a bit in functionality this year.

i don't think scizors dropped in functionality at all tbh but i didn't play VGC prior to 15. bullet punch is one of the few ways to ensure you kill sylveon since bisharp iron head can be ev'd to survive.

Edit: dam it sylveon could possibly ev to even live this.... 252+ Atk Life Orb Technician Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Sylveon: 289-343 (73.3 - 87%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Mega Metagross is my favourite Sylveon check. Always outspeeds and always will OHKO with Meteor Mash.

Cress needs to be doubled into or make as useless as possible.

[Rogue]

252+ Atk Choice Band Escavalier Megahorn vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cresselia: 218-260 (96 - 114.5%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO

252+ Atk Technician Scizor Bug Bite vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cresselia: 108-128 (47.5 - 56.3%) -- 78.1% chance to 2HKO

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252+ Atk Bisharp Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cresselia: 114-134 (50.2 - 59%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

After the first knock off: 252+ Atk Bisharp Knock Off vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cresselia: 78-92 (34.3 - 40.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Kind of annoying because if you don't double up they can moonlight to recover.

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252+ Atk Mega Heracross Pin Missile (5 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cresselia: 210-250 (92.5 - 110.1%)

ayeee lmao

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124+ SpA Choice Specs Hydreigon Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Cresselia: 120-144 (52.8 - 63.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cresselia: 110-132 (48.4 - 58.1%) -- 92.2% chance to 2HKO <--- also cant really be touched by cress. unless it has moonblast.

+1 0 SpA Volcarona Bug Buzz vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Cresselia: 116-140 (51.1 - 61.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO bulky Volcarona set under one quiver dance.

252+ SpA Aegislash-Blade Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Cresselia: 102-122 (44.9 - 53.7%) -- 36.7% chance to 2HKO

252+ Atk Life Orb Adaptability Crawdaunt Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cresselia: 161-192 (70.9 - 84.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ Atk Adaptability Mega Beedrill U-turn vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cresselia: 240-284 (54 - 63.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ Atk Mega Tyranitar Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cresselia: 116-138 (51.1 - 60.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after sandstorm damage and Leftovers recovery

252+ Atk Strong Jaw Mega Sharpedo Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cresselia: 152-180 (66.9 - 79.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

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These are calcs done with max hp/def/the correct nature according to whats it up against, which isn't common.

All jokes aside, Cresselia really isn't so impossible to beat. Honestly, it's really bad if you 2HKO it because it was basically a wasted slot on your opponents team and it only got to do one thing in one turn.

Is Cresselia broken if you don't have anything to hit it? Sure. But honestly that would be bad team building :b

[evilsabre]

(Jan 14, 2015, 10:31 PM)Rogue Wrote: 252+ Atk Mega Heracross Pin Missile (5 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cresselia: 210-250 (92.5 - 110.1%)

not even M Herecross has a guaranteed OHKO with a SE stab attack utilizing his skill link that's just one stupidly bulky pokemon...

Edit: also rougue your missing some life orbs in those calcs right?

yea you were

252+ Atk Life Orb Technician Scizor Bug Bite vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cresselia: 268-320 (60.3 - 72%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (ik this guy had a guaranteed 2HKO)

Knock off vs no item:
252+ Atk Life Orb Bisharp Knock Off vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cresselia: 190-226 (42.7 - 50.9%) -- 2.7% chance to 2HKO
vs item:
252+ Atk Life Orb Bisharp Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cresselia: 281-330 (63.2 - 74.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO


basically if you want your cresselia to live 2 turns pair it up with mega zard Y since he can counter every counter to cress using dragon pulse/focus blast, solar beam and heat wave....

[Rogue]

some dont have life orbs, some arent even banded/specs.

also out of those 5 hits you usually get one crit so it's almost always guaranteed. :b
Plus, this is only IF the cresselia is running 252/252 with + defense nature, which never happens. if they ARE running that, then the cress is super weak special defensively