[DISCUSSION] Pokemon Sun & Moon News Thread (Will Contain Pre-Launch Spoilers)

[jouzea]

OH MY!! New videos are out! My hype level is over 9000

[Eeveeli]

Going to throw it out here, i'm pretty sure we will get a new eeveelution type! (Which really hypes me ofc hahaha) why do I think this?

Weelllll let me try to explain it.



Why would they put a small Eevee in a battle against both a Krookodile and Pangoro? It seems a bit out of place and knowing that Pokemon likes to put hints in their trailers (Like with the cute dog Pokemon in the trailer before this!) i'm pretty sure we will get a new one. or they simply added the Eevee because it's easy to knock out but then again: why no magikarp or something like that am i rite

Also i'm pretty sure it will be a fighting type. First theory why I think that: It matches with Sylveon. In the past Pokemon had eeveelutions that were weak/strong against each other:

Espeon was weak against Umbreon (psychic vs dark)
Glaceon was strong against Leafeon (ice vs grass)

So it "would" make sense if the next eeveelution is actually weak/strong against fairy. Which would mean it could be either a steel, dark, fire , fighting, poison or dragon type. But we can already cross away both dark and fire because those types are already used by Umbreon and Flareon so the steel, fighting, poison and dragon types are left.

But here's where my second theory comes in why I think it will be a fighting type! As i mentioned before: Why is there an Eevee battling against a Pangoro and Krookodile? Maybe because they're both weak to fighting ?? fighting eeveelution?? Please let my theory be right because I thought way too much about this. Fighting Eeveelution please be real

[Apo]

@Eeveeli

maybe, maybe not :P

there is already: Electrik vs Water, Dark vs Psychic, Ice vs Grass, and Fairy vs Fire :P

[NoRaTiX]

A fighting type eeveelution would be amazing! It is a possibility hmm....

[Lythania]

@Eeveeli I get super hyped every time an eeveelution is so much as HINTED at, so I'm super excited at the thought of getting a new one!! I love looking up fanmade concepts and I came across one in particular a long time ago that I think you might like. (The fighting one is the second one over from the top right.) Unfortunately, I have no idea who the original artist is, so I cannot credit them here.

Take a stab at some name guesses! I'm gonna guess.. Brawleon, Wrestleon (nah sounds lame), Clasheon, Meleeon, Scuffleon, Rumbleon! ..Okay that last guess sounds more like a rock type than a fighting type hahah.

[Lythania]

Incoming text wall!

After my post above I paused and gave it some heavy thought. If you look at the Dex numbers of the Eeveelutions (not including the original three evos here), you'll see that the first Eeveelution of the gen is weak to the second Eeveelution of the gen. I'm thinking that because Sylveon was a solo release, the next Eeveelution is going to strong against Fairy instead of weak. This would mean Poison or Steel.

However, Sylveon's solo release broke the mold from prior gens, so it is quite possible that the next Eeveelution is actually weak against Fairy. Eeveelution weaknesses against each other are normally of the super effective variety instead of the half-damage variety, so I'm excluding Fire Poison and Steel from my musings. That would leave Fighting, Dragon, or Dark. This totally fits the picture showcasing Krookodile which is Ground/Dark, and Pangoro who is Fighting/Dark! And because of those two being in the picture, I'd actually hazard a guess that we could be getting a Dragon Eeveelution!

Or maybe.. Hm.. Krookodile is a good matchup against Magiana imo. That would leave Pangoro vs. Eevee. Pangoro's Fighting moves would be super effective against Eevee's Normal typing, so for all I know we might even get a Normal Eeveelution. Rock, Dark, and Steel are also weak to Pangoro's Fighting moves.

If you theorize that Sylveon is going to be a standalone Eeveelution for gen 6, that also changes things up. The first Eeveelution of a gen has always been neutral towards the last Eeveelution of the previous gen, such as Espeon vs. Flareon, and Leafeon vs. Umbreon. If you exclude Eeveelution types which already exist, then the types that are neutral against Fairy are Ground, Flying, Rock, and Ghost.

Summary
Follows Standard: Poison and Steel are 'super effective'/strong against Fairy.
Opposite of Standard: Fighting, Dragon, and Dark are 'not very effective'/weak against Fairy. 
Pangoro vs. Eevee: Normal, Rock, Dark, and Steel are weak to Pangoro's Fighting moves.
Fairy = Gen Standalone: Ground, Flying, Rock, and Ghost are neutral against Fairy.

Eeveelution Weaknesses
<-- Vaporeon (#134, Water) <-- Jolteon (#135, Electric) - Flareon (#136, Fire)
Espeon (#196, Psychic) <-- Umbreon (#197, Dark)
Leafeon (#470, Grass) <-- Glaceon (#471, Ice)
Sylveon (#700, Fairy) <-?-> ?????

[pandagarou]

I would loooove to have a complete Eevee family. Hopefully we'll get new ones this gen (2 or 3 please Gamefreak!).

As of now Espeon is the only one in the family that isn't super-effective against another, while Sylveon that has no weakness. So imo a new Poison-type Eeveelution is the best option as it would be both weak against Espeon and super-effective against Sylveon. It would also be a link between the 2 current Eeveelution "groups" as Poison is also super-effective against Grass.

However, I would loooove a Flying Eeveelution because that would be the 2nd pure Flying-type Pokémon (3rd if you count Arceus with Sky Plate) and there are lots of cool designs they could go for.

[Wildtiger29]

Who else has watched all of the new videos for sun and moon





#TeamLittenForLyfe

[Black117]

Wanted to wait until E3 was completely finish (at least for Pokemon) to formalize some of my thoughts / opinions regarding all the news we got from Tuesday. I won't go over any pasts news unless the latest information is somehow relates. Going to follow the news exactly from the Serebii post, so click the link to see a "simplified version" regarding new Pokemon, abilities, battle mode (sorta), and other stuff. 

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3 New Pokemon!

(From the Official Pokemon Site)

We'll start off with the new Pokemon revealed via the E3 Demonstration and the latest trailers: Pikipek, Yungoos, and Grubbin. The left-most Pokemon is the Normal/Flying-type bird Pikipek, and we already seen the "3D Model" of the Pokemon beforehand the Sun & Moon announcment trailer. Pikipek itself is classified as the "Woodpecker" Pokemon and has the following standard ablities: Keen Eye and Skill Link. While Keen Eye isn't really a great ability (just like most "starting" abilties), Skill Link is actually quite interesting to have on a Normal/Flying-type Pokemon. Chances are given it has Skill Link, Pikipek will likely know some multi-strike moves such as Fury Attack, Tail Slap, and potentially Bullet Seed based on its Pokedex description. Having a Flying Pokemon who can already hit Rock-type Pokemon early on for Super Effective damage really great for the early game. One last note I'd like to mention regarding Pikipek, during the E3 Livestream Demo for Sun and Moon, we get to see Pikipek's Pokedex description with two empty "Pokeballs" to the center and right. Both Junichi Masuda and Shigeru Ohmori basically semi-confirmed that Pikipek will have two additional evolutions after stating the Emtpy Pokeballs refer to an evolution chain (we haven't seen this done since Fire Red & Leaf Green. 

The 2nd Pokemon showcased in both the demo and the trailer is the Yellow/Brown haired mongoose called "Yungoos". As in every generation, Yungoos is likely the early "Normal-type" Pokemon we can find in every game. The new abilities for Yungoos are Strong Jaw (raises the power of "biting moves") and Stakeout, a new ability. This new abiltiy is quite interesting as it deals double the damage assuming the target switches out of the battlefield. Though the NPCs in this game aren't typically switch heavy in play-through, in competitive Stakeout is a good ability assuming Yungoos's final evolution can get the right stats and moveset to hit most switch ins hard. What I find really funny about Yungoos is that in it's Pokedex descriptions, these Pokemon were meant to "solve" an explosive Population of a "certain Pokemon" (maybe new "rat" Pokemon or older one?), though soon Yungoos became common.

The 3rd and last newly announced Pokemon is the Bug-type Drubbin. This new Pokemon wasn't actually shown in the demo, rather via a trailer from TCPi, probably showing the latest Alola Pokemon available in Route 1. Drubbin is quite interesting as its "feeds" off of electricity and is found nearby any electrical sources like power plants, so relatively high this Pokemon will evolve with a part Electric-typing. Not much to say about Drubbin, except the fact it looks relatively weird compared to other Bug-type Pokemon. It will be interesting to see another Bug/Electric Pokemon just like Joltik/Galvantula. 
 

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Magearna and Soul-Heart

We finally got confirmation regarding Magearna's ability, and to be frank its it quite powerful. The new ability we are discussing is Soul-Heart, essentially a "special and slightly improved" variant of Moxie, when every time a Pokemon faints, the user gets an attack raise. For Magearna, every time a Pokemon those faint in battle, even its own ally, it will gain a boost to the Special Attack stat. Why I said it was improved was because Soul-Heart can activate even if the Pokemon or the ally have fallen without Magearna having to "damage" the Pokemon, though the standard effects apply like from Moxie. In the latest trailer, Magearna's new move Fleur Cannon was demonstrated on a Pangoro and felt "super effective" damage. Unless it is Flying-type (very unlikely), Magearna's exclusive move will be Fairy-type, however we don't know any additional effects, or even if its a high base power attack given Pangoro is quad weak to Fairy-types. 

We do get a little bit of lore behind the creation of Magearna as it was made by a "scientist" 500 years ago, and is able to sense / perceive the emotions of Pokemon with its Soul-Heart ability. It is interesting to have this type of story involved with Magearna given its intentions to save injured Pokemon and feel their pain. How Magearna will fit into the story, or the post-game event remains to be seen, though I have a feeling it will likely be related to AZ in some fashion. AZ did create the ultimate weapon which habored the lives of many Pokemon (how much is disclosed), though whatever technology was available, maybe AZ (or the unspecified scientist), created Magearna using the same material. 

Finally we get information on how to obtain Magearna, which is by using a QR scanner to scan the Magearan QR code and receive it in-game. The fact we can "officially" scan event Pokemon using this method is interesting in of itself, though convenient to get the latest Mythical Pokemon.
 

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New Battle Format: Free For Alls / Battle Royals + Battle Mechanics

This was honestly the most interesting newest feature for Pokemon Sun and Moon to be announced: "official" Free-for-Alls. What's incredibly interesting about this new battle mode is that Game Freak definitely paid attention to all the Poketubers who popularized this format in 4-way multi-battles where the winner is the last person standing. The standard rules of a "Free-for-All" still apply with some modified changes from the popularized one. Likewise, players are given points for the amount of Pokemon they faint, how much Pokemon they have, or likely goes by health percentage. The major difference is if someone loses all their Pokemon first, the battle is over and the scores will be tallied based on the criteria mentioned before. 

Again I'd like to point out how Game Freak pretty much based this idea off the several Youtubers (DuncanKneeDeep, King Nappy, Shofu, ShadyPenguinn) who've all popularized FFAs in the general Pokemon medium. Of course this isn't anything "new", but the fact remains Game Freak / Pokemon are definitely looking at our ideas and input/outputs regarding any improvements Take the new features like battle screen now showing the amount of boosts/drops (Stat Modifications) a Pokemon has receive, or if a certain Pokemon move is "super-effective" or not. Heck, we even got confirmation of player customization, which is something almost everyone wanted back. These are small features they could have ignored, however the fact Game Freak is making their games accessible and concurrent with the players means they are listening to our suggestions on how to improve the game we play.

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Well that about wraps up all the most important bits of information we've gotten from E3. Regarding anything about connectivity with Pokemon Sun/Moon and Pokemon Go, they are currently "working" on the matter, but we do have at form of confirmation of something being in placed. Pokemon Go will launch around July 2016, so be sure to get the game on your mobile devices. Now regarding Pokemon Sun and Moon news, I'll leave a link to two videos: one from the Official Pokemon Channel about most of the topics I've covered, and the second regarding the E3 Nintendo livestream showcasing first-time beta gameplay. 

June 14th 2016 Trailer (New Pokemon, Soul-Heart, and Battle Royal): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ojd6FzTaEM
Pokemon Sun and Moon E3 Demonstration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC-uLg_5RIA
 

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Until next time, this is most of the major news to cover, so that's all folks! Discuss anything regarding anything covered, some stuff I've missed, or potential fan theories regarding what could make it in the final game. See you all soon.

[Apo]

why so much love for Eevee, Slowpoke is the way to go !