#572 Minccino

sandragon13 · (This post was last modified: Jul 3, 2015, 09:38 AM by sandragon13.)

I have an ongoing Fakedex project that will eventually produce an entire new generation of Pokemon for an RPG of my design on another site. For the last 3+ years, I have been designing these Fakemon to be fully fleshed out, viable species, just as the real ones are. I'm more than 85% complete through the process of completing the Dex. What I'd need now, however, is feedback on them. Specifically, I want to try to determine viable move sets, set checks and counters, and eventually use that feedback to establish the equivalent of tiers for the site. For that feedback, I need the aid of competitive Pokemon players and everyday trainers alike, willing to donate time to help me achieve the level of realism I've been striving towards.

I'd like to hear back from some of the competitive players here who would be willing to review stats, movepools, and move sets. For the purposes of the thread, the Fakedex would function initially in a vacuum, with no real Pokemon being taken into account during evaluation. They should, at least for now, be compared only amongst each other.

It is highly recommended that you take advantage of the Pokemon Showdown battle calculator to check offensive/defensive calcs, just like you would on normal Pokemon. I've outlined that process here.

Please be aware that all TMs are designated as of X/Y. Secret Power may be available as a tutor move that all TM-learning Pokemon can be taught, and other tutor moves are currently being worked on. Learnability of TM/HMs is designated by color:
Red - Learned by lowest evolutionary form
Light Green - Learned by middle evolutionary form
Dark Green - Learned by final evolutionary form
HMs are designated as follows: HM1 Cut, HM2 Fly, HM3 Surf, HM4 Strength, HM5 Waterfall, HM6 Dive, HM7 Whirlpool, HM08 Rock Climb, HM09 Defog

For simplification, I am listing the stats for all evolutions within a line, but only the moves learned by the final form.

NOTE: The list is too long for one post. For the rest of the FakeDex, click this link!

#001-#003 - Flittle > Melisucre > Laetzel

#004-#006 - Cubburn > Ursoot > Sizzley

#007-#009 - Elefount > Seaquele > Pachydon

#010-#011 - Hampstor > Champster

#012-#014 - Quimp > Quivail > Quailush

#015-#017 - Golgrub > Scaurum > Scarabling

#018-#019- Blamb > Battram

#020-#021- Lithlep > Bouldare

#022-#023- Kicket > Locrusht

#024-#025- Piwi > Megamoa

#026-#027- Kaoalla > Koallop

#028 -#029- Pupple > Shampoodle

#030-#031 - Voltry > Shockrel

#032 Pignatta

#033-#037 - Fweather > Umbrain / Touclaro / Snowflock / Hoatzand

Fweather: 40/50/55/70/55/50, 320. Type: Normal/Flying Abilities: Overcoat/Cloud Nine Hidden Ability: Anticipation
Umbrain: 69/79/74/95/77/83, 477. Type: Normal/Flying Abilities: Overcoat/Water Veil Hidden Ability: Hydration
Touclaro: 69/79/74/95/77/83, 477. Type: Normal/Flying Abilities: Overcoat/Solar Power Hidden Ability: Leaf Guard
Snowflock: 69/79/74/95/77/83, 477. Type: Normal/Flying Abilities: Overcoat/Snow Cloak Hidden Ability: Ice Body
Hoatzand: 69/79/74/95/77/83, 477. Type: Normal/Flying Abilities: Overcoat/Sand Force Hidden Ability: Magic Guard

Movepool:
#34 Umbrain
-Rain Dance
-Defog
-Gust
14 – Water Gun
17 – Pluck
21 – Disarming Voice
25 – Weather Ball
30 – Rain Dance
32 – Flatter
33 – Air Slash
36 – Water Pulse
41 – Soak
46 –Muddy Water
50 – Hurricane

#35 Touclaro
-Sunny Day
-Defog
-Gust
14 – Ember
17 – Pluck
21 – Take Down
25 – Weather Ball
30 – Sunny Day
32 – Morning Sun
33 – Drill Peck
36 – Flame Burst
41 – Haze
46 – Heat Wave
50 – Sky Attack

#36 Snowflock
-Hail
-Defog
-Gust
14 – Powder Snow
17 – Pluck
21 – Taunt
25 – Weather Ball
30 – Hail
32 – Hypnosis
33 – Air Slash
36 – Icy Wind
41 – Mist
46 – Snow Pack
50 – Blizzard

#37 Hoatzand
-Sandstorm
-Defog
-Gust
14 – Mud-Slap
17 – Pluck
21 – Fury Attack
25 – Weather Ball
30 – Sandstorm
32 – Rock Polish
33 – Drill Peck
36 – Ancient Power
41 – Mud Bomb
46 – Grit Blast
50 – Brave Bird

Learned by previous evolutions: Whirlwind, Razor Wind, Twister
Egg Moves: Knock Off, Feather Dance, Natural Gift, Hurricane, Ominous Wind, Future Sight, Weather Ball
TMs/HMs
Note: Blue-Umbrain-Exclusive Yellow-Touclaro-Exclusive Grey-Snowflock-Exclusive Brown-Hoatzand-Exclusive
Umbrain Movesets
Touclaro Movesets
Snowflock Movesets
Hoatzand Movesets
Note: Grit Blast: 80 BP Special Rock-type Move, 10% chance of lowering Sp. Def.
Note: Snow Pack: -- BP Status Ice-type Move, Restores health. 50% under no weather, 66% under Hail, 25% under all other weather conditions.

#038 -#039- Dustamble > Dustrek

#040 Arbore

#041-#042- Gloam > Gnoloam

#043 Sparkupine

#044-#046- Gusquire > Whirlwiz / Cycrone

#047 Jerboalt

#048 Psi-aye

#049-#050 - Divarrow > Herarrow

#051 Coulumble

#052-#053 - Taurcher > Sagitaur

#054-#055 - Cardinil > Cardinull

#056-#057 - Jaydid > Jayzing

#058-#059 - Alkatrap > Drungeon

#060-#061- Rockit > Comit

#064-#066 - Pandagen > Pandamic > Pandamonum

#067-#068 - Owltlet > Tekstrix

#069-#070 - Weaviper > Decepzen

#071-#072 - Crudrone > Petroyal

#073-#074 - Powelp > Powchow

#075-#076 - Swirlwind > Scournado

#077-#078 - Moushroud > Mouseleum

#079-#080 - Malpaca > Dillama

#081 Newtonne

#084-#085 - Ceramink > Ferracotta

#086-#087 - Maggore > Putrifly

#088-#089 - Zombee > Gornet

#090 Camoconda

#091-#092 - Pipochin > Wrenchimp

#093-#094 - Pixigon > Vexigon

#095 -#096 - Princense > Missmatch

#097 -#098 - Marimood > Marimote

#099 -#100 - Pilit > Thermote

#104-#106 - Wondero > Powero > Supero

#107 -#108 - Plusheet > Pilload

#109 -#110 - Flambino > Flambingo

#111 -#112 - Knifry > Maulin

#113 -#114 - Drollfin > Pompoise

#115 -#116 - Thumbolt > Krakohm

#117 Dreadeep

#121-#122- Cubii > Cuubii

Cubii: 59/59/39/69/79/69, 374. Type: Psychic/Dark Abilities: Contrary Hidden Ability: Plane Shift
Cuubii: 79/89/69/99/109/89, 534. Type: Psychic/Dark Abilities: Contrary Hidden Ability: Plane Shift
Movepool:
#122 Cuubii
-Magic Room
-Wonder Room
-Astonish
-Teleport
-Sharpen
-Confusion
15 – Double Team
20 – Feint Attack
25 – Portal Glitch
30 – Substitute
37 – Psychic
42 – Ally Switch
48 – Phantom Force
52 – Dark Pulse
57 – Trick Room

Learned by previous evolutions: None
Egg Moves: Confuse Ray, Trick, Shadow Sneak, Magic Coat, Barrier, Switcheroo, Psycho Shift, Sketch, Skill Swap
TMs/HMs
Cuubii Movesets (None yet Submitted)
[i]Portal Glitch (Attack): Forces the target out of play in a trainer battle, dragging in a randomly chosen Pokémon from the opponent’s team. In wild encounters, forces the opponent to flee as long as they are of lower level than the user. Fails if used when the opponent has no inactive Pokémon, if the target has Suction Cups or is rooted by Ingrain, or if it is used against a same- or higher-leveled targets in a wild encounter. This attack is not blocked by Substitute. Is functionally identical to Roar and Whirlwind, save that it hits opponents with the Soundproof ability (unlike Roar). This attack’s effect can be reflected by Magic Coat and Magic Bounce. This attack works on Dark-types, despite being Psychic-typed. This move has -6 priority.
Plane Shift (Ability): Raises the user’s Evasion stat by one stage for each stat lowered by an opponent, including the Evasion stat. This does not include self-induced stat drops such as those from Close Combat. Plane Shift will not activate if the user’s stat is lowered by an ally in double or triple battles. This ability activates once per each incidence of a stat-dropping action (that is, Intimidate lowers Attack by one stage, Screech lowers Defense by two stages, and Plane Shift only activates once in both of these cases. Regardless of the number of stages the stat is lowered, Plane Shift only activates once for that incidence). Plane Shift can be activated twice in a turn only if it has a stat/stats lowered through two separate actions (such as two Intimidate users) in a single turn, as in a Double or Triple battle.

#123 Tectrapod

#124 - Eevee > Chesheon

#125 - Eevee > Meleeon

#126 -#127 - Chibli > Grotoro

#128-#129 - Greenade > Bamboom

#130-#131 - Conchious > Knowtilus

For the rest of the FakeDex, click this link!
More to come.

UndyingUmbreon · May 8, 2015, 01:41 PM

I'm not a competitive player, but I'm excited to see this project progress! Elefount would be like an elephant, right? It sounds like it'd be super cute!

Podfighterninja123 · May 9, 2015, 06:13 AM

Now to make it into a fakemon game Kappa

Vietflame · (This post was last modified: May 9, 2015, 10:16 AM by Vietflame.)

I actually saw the thread posted less than a minute after it was up. I didn't want to comment on it though because I read "feedback from competitive players" and I knew I didn't have the mind for it xD

Just want to say though from my point of view, the pokemons do look balanced. Pachydon looks like a potential trick room + water spout user, which is really cool. I can also see it being a decent wall, or even a mixed mon thanks to Calm Mind.

Comparing the moves to one another and the moves to the stats, it looks balanced to me. Sizzley's Belly Drum + Agility combo would be OP, but almost impossible to setup, so it makes sense to be in the movepool. People who can set it up deserves a sweep. Also, good thing it has no priority moves xD

I like Laetzel's typing. I don't think we have that typing yet that can put on offensive pressure. I might be wrong though. It's stats look really nice too. Having access to physical priority moves is nice too even for a special attacker. I run into some Sylveon's with quick attack sometimes. Completely throws me off my game.

The hidden abilities are also really nice. Heavy metal is a hidden ability you almost never see used, but with moves like Heavy Slam, it makes sense. Maybe add a few more to make it's ability stand out more (I am unfamiliar with the ability, idk if you have other moves in their that effect it xD)? Hustle is a very cool one too. Sacrificing accuracy for power, that makes this pokemon very scary to go up against. Delibird come through :D? And finally, Flower gift making it especially viable in doubles format. Would love to see how it performs since Cherrim has always helped me in my time of need.

I may not have the knowledge of a competitive player, but it looks like you took careful time to pick out moves that have some sort of synergy and do not make a pokemon OP, and took time to balance the stats accordingly as well. So personally, I really like how it is turning out so far!

sandragon13 · May 10, 2015, 11:30 AM

Updated first post with first 31 Pokemon. More to be posted, possibly today, and during the next week or two.
-sandragon13

kuun_kun · May 13, 2015, 02:06 AM

This is awesome. I don't have time to give some actual feedback now.... just a quick question:
Will there be art work as well :D?

sandragon13 · May 13, 2015, 05:22 AM

(May 13, 2015, 02:06 AM)kuun_kun Wrote: This is awesome. I don't have time to give some actual feedback now.... just a quick question:
Will there be art work as well :D?

I do have artwork for many of them already. However later in the process I may be looking for assistance with the others.
-sandragon13

kuun_kun · May 13, 2015, 06:15 AM

That's nice! Will there be feedback on the art as well?
Also are you planning on creating an actual Fakemon game from it? I'm very curious, and i really like this kind of fan-based projects Angel

sandragon13 · May 14, 2015, 08:12 AM

(May 13, 2015, 06:15 AM)kuun_kun Wrote: That's nice! Will there be feedback on the art as well?
Also are you planning on creating an actual Fakemon game from it? I'm very curious, and i really like this kind of fan-based projects

The site, at present, will be a text-based Pokemon RPG, prominently featuring these fakemon. There will be all the real-world Pokemon, of course, but they will be less common than the fakemon during the initial playthrough. The main differences between this game and the real handheld games will be the battling format (selecting two moves/actions at a time, making prediction be of even higher importance) and the ability for Pokemon to dodge attacks rather than attacking. The specifics are pretty well-established on the back-end of the project, such as the effectiveness of the aforementioned dodging and so on, so I won't really release them here just yet.

As for evaluating the art/designs of the fakemon themselves, I created this thread hoping to get battling feedback and movepool ideas. In the future, I may open a thread in the Art section of the forum for character design feedback.

-sandragon13

sandragon13 · (This post was last modified: May 15, 2015, 07:16 AM by sandragon13.)

Updated the list with 7 new final evolutions; Pignatta, all four of Fweather's potential evolutions (like Eevee, it evolves permanently into one of several evolutions, however which one is based on overworld weather conditions), Dustrek, and Arbore. I am also going to start adding my pre-existing movesets into these sections; be sure to check those out. Some of the existing movesets do mention comparisons to real-world Pokemon; this will be amended to reflect my desire to keep these fakemon as a self-contained generation. Of course, if anybody suggests movesets, I'll add them to those lists as well. I could really use some feedback here as I upload more fakemon.
-sandragon13

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