(Jan 13, 2015, 03:43 PM)Rogue Wrote: Am I the only one that feels like Mega Heracross is a little underrated?
Naitre and I have been in the lab and made a trick room team with one. We're currently climbing the showdown ladder quickly and are shooting for top 10 or so.
(we will do a RMT later on for those who are interested)
2HKO'ing every Cresselia/OHKO'ing every M-Kang/and every time we see a rain team we just click bullet seed and win.
no your not i personally don't like him but he's got huge underrated power i mean 185 base attack you don't even need to invest in it and with a positive nature you'll still have more raw power than a max invested adamant landorus-T.....
admittedly the number of intimidates, will-o-wispers and the existence of gale wings talonflame are too hard for him to deal with + sylveon is also pretty bad for him this year.
You're right, thats why I brushed him off at first. But as soon as I paired him up in a trick room team while having support such as Heatran it's never a problem.
But that's also another reason on why you don't always bring your mega/favorite pokemon every match. Some times you wont need them/they wont be useful. Other times they'll make you pull a 4-0.
i'm just not sold that he's useful enough of the time to warrant him, vs 50% of teams he feels like dead weight because they carry talonflame and then a good 30% + carry sylveon atm then with landurous being everywhere you need to watch out for an intimidate. Not to mention with bisharp and aegisslash running free atm setting up trick rooms is not exactly an easy task this year
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(Jan 13, 2015, 03:43 PM)Rogue Wrote: Am I the only one that feels like Mega Heracross is a little underrated?
Naitre and I have been in the lab and made a trick room team with one. We're currently climbing the showdown ladder quickly and are shooting for top 10 or so.
(we will do a RMT later on for those who are interested)
2HKO'ing every Cresselia/OHKO'ing every M-Kang/and every time we see a rain team we just click bullet seed and win.
no your not i personally don't like him but he's got huge underrated power i mean 185 base attack you don't even need to invest in it and with a positive nature you'll still have more raw power than a max invested adamant landorus-T.....
admittedly the number of intimidates, will-o-wispers and the existence of gale wings talonflame are too hard for him to deal with + sylveon is also pretty bad for him this year.
You're right, thats why I brushed him off at first. But as soon as I paired him up in a trick room team while having support such as Heatran it's never a problem.
But that's also another reason on why you don't always bring your mega/favorite pokemon every match. Some times you wont need them/they wont be useful. Other times they'll make you pull a 4-0.
i'm just not sold that he's useful enough of the time to warrant him, vs 50% of teams he feels like dead weight because they carry talonflame and then a good 30% + carry sylveon atm then with landurous being everywhere you need to watch out for an intimidate. Not to mention with bisharp and aegisslash running free atm setting up trick rooms is not exactly an easy task this year
Last year, sure. But Talonflame can't touch Heatran :b Heatran takes our Sylveon, takes out bisharp and aegislash, and trick room is ridiculously easy to put up with Cresselia. I've set up trick room as someone doubled up with a sylveon and aegislash against my Cresselia before. Don't forget about Cress, it's like a guaranteed trick room.
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(Jan 13, 2015, 03:43 PM)Rogue Wrote: Am I the only one that feels like Mega Heracross is a little underrated?
Naitre and I have been in the lab and made a trick room team with one. We're currently climbing the showdown ladder quickly and are shooting for top 10 or so.
(we will do a RMT later on for those who are interested)
2HKO'ing every Cresselia/OHKO'ing every M-Kang/and every time we see a rain team we just click bullet seed and win.
no your not i personally don't like him but he's got huge underrated power i mean 185 base attack you don't even need to invest in it and with a positive nature you'll still have more raw power than a max invested adamant landorus-T.....
admittedly the number of intimidates, will-o-wispers and the existence of gale wings talonflame are too hard for him to deal with + sylveon is also pretty bad for him this year.
You're right, thats why I brushed him off at first. But as soon as I paired him up in a trick room team while having support such as Heatran it's never a problem.
But that's also another reason on why you don't always bring your mega/favorite pokemon every match. Some times you wont need them/they wont be useful. Other times they'll make you pull a 4-0.
i'm just not sold that he's useful enough of the time to warrant him, vs 50% of teams he feels like dead weight because they carry talonflame and then a good 30% + carry sylveon atm then with landurous being everywhere you need to watch out for an intimidate. Not to mention with bisharp and aegisslash running free atm setting up trick rooms is not exactly an easy task this year
Last year, sure. But Talonflame can't touch Heatran :b Heatran takes our Sylveon, takes out bisharp and aegislash, and trick room is ridiculously easy to put up with Cresselia. I've set up trick room as someone doubled up with a sylveon and aegislash against my Cresselia before. Don't forget about Cress, it's like a guaranteed trick room.
actually it's only guaranteed like 85% of the time you go up against bisharp because the bisharp crits the other 15% and you go bye bye XD Joking aside i don't think its a bad choice but your already locking yourself into relying on the power of legends for someone like me who doesn't like to use them getting heracross to work well is upward struggle to the point of not being worth it unless you absolutely love him. Similar to mega ampharos this year imo mega heracross just has too many common checks or counters to be usable consistently.
That said other underated megas atm for me are:
Altaria: (i mean seriously this thing even fits into the dragon/fairy/steel core pretty well and has pixilate hyper voice/double edge with cotton guard + roost i mean with either tailwind or trick room this thing could be insane XD.
Steelix: fits the core and has sand force + a stupidly high defense value with usable special defense.
Blastoise: Suffers a bit due to other picks like rotom and thunderous but given the right support i think he's stronger than people give him credit.
Glalie: refrigerate explosion that is all....
Abomasnow: i putting this 1 down to talonflame but otherwise blizzards in the current meta seem to be a really good idea :D
Slowbro: i mean seriously where is the calm mind monster i was scared of pre ORAS....
Garchomp: i honestly think this mega keeps getting written off as a joke (even if its speed tier is god aweful too fast to tr reliably too slow to use without tailwind). That said this guy can really tear teams apart with a tailwind i mean base 170 attack or if you can dream of the possible stab, sand force boosted eq from a 170 base att pokemon that will have more damage than its unmega'd form even without att investment or the ability -drools- i want to see this thing catch some people off guard i really do :D
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Jan 13, 2015, 05:44 PM (This post was last modified: Jan 13, 2015, 05:46 PM by Rogue.)
"but your already locking yourself into relying on the power of legend"
That's VGC though.
VGC 14 was one of the odd ball years. 13, 12, 11, and more all had legends and they were all in the winning teams. That's just the name of the game. Legendaries are only "legends" in name. Landorus is 4x weak to ice, Terrakion loses to a mach punch from Conkeldurr, Cresselia is taken out by megahorn from escavelier/taken out by one crit out of 5 hits from a pin missle from mega heracross, Heatran is 4x weak to ground etc.
I mean heck, VGC 10 allowed Mewtwo, Lugia, Giritina, Groudon, and even Rayquaza.
The most broken mon in VGC right now IMO is mega kang.
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(Jan 13, 2015, 05:46 PM)tygaa2 Wrote: vgc 10 must have been crazy
It was lol. You think Cresselia is bulky? Watch as your opponent led with Bulky Giritina and Bulky recover stall Mewtwo and cry ahahaha
Although, it was one of the coolest years IMO because it allowed you to only bring 2 of the "super legends" like Giritina/Kyogre/the ones that are basically banned this year.
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Well in VGC '11 the only legends people used were the genies and swords of justice because it was Unova-pokemon only, kind of like VGC '14 except the unova dex only had gen 5 pokes in it. Speaking of gen 5 pokes, @Rogue you might want to fix your terrakion guide -- terrakion actually does get Earthquake via TM. You also might want to add double kick, which has been a popular filler move on Terrakion because it can break bisharp's focus sash.
(Jan 13, 2015, 05:48 PM)Peppermint Wrote: Well in VGC '11 the only legends people used were the genies and swords of justice because it was Unova-pokemon only, kind of like VGC '14 except the unova dex only had gen 5 pokes in it. Speaking of gen 5 pokes, @Rogue you might want to fix your terrakion guide -- terrakion actually does get Earthquake via TM. You also might want to add double kick, which has been a popular filler move on Terrakion because it can break bisharp's focus sash.
I was thinking about fixing most of my builds but I'm just super busy. I saw the double kick Terrakion via Cybertron and I thought of adding that too.
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@Rouge I had no idea vgc '10 allowed those! I'm kind of hoping they are allowed again sometime in the future, just because we never see them. Especially now with some of them getting mega evolutions
I know it will limit team building, but it would be nice to see them get some action
(Jan 13, 2015, 05:44 PM)Rogue Wrote: "but your already locking yourself into relying on the power of legend"
That's VGC though.
VGC 14 was one of the odd ball years. 13, 12, 11, and more all had legends and they were all in the winning teams. That's just the name of the game. Legendaries are only "legends" in name. Landorus is 4x weak to ice, Terrakion loses to a mach punch from Conkeldurr, Cresselia is taken out by megahorn from escavelier/taken out by one crit out of 5 hits from a pin missle from mega heracross, Heatran is 4x weak to ground etc.
I mean heck, VGC 10 allowed Mewtwo, Lugia, Giritina, Groudon, and even Rayquaza.
The most broken mon in VGC right now IMO is mega kang.
ive been seeing alot of mega kang's running double edge now and that thing hits like a truck it one shots most of my team :P
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